The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
TT Harry in Proven Guilty
jonas:
--- Quote from: groinkick on March 01, 2018, 07:03:13 PM ---The Island does, the holding place of the things down below is not so certain to be in reality.
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That's not tenable, it shows no direct travel to the NN and Harry in the first room after the staircase(in the prison proper) was still in the mortal realm, in fact Mab was still in the mortal realm when she stayed with him as her power stayed with her.(See SK, Aurora and Elaine's convo on trying to kill Harry)
Always considered trapping them inside reality to be the whole point, it prevents them from manifesting elsewhere but leaves their power/balance inside the mortal realm.
jonas:
--- Quote from: groinkick on March 01, 2018, 07:51:06 PM ---Yeah. The Island itself is on Earth but the magic woven around it could have been done on Earth, and different planes in the NeverNever. Considering the nature of the things locked up it would make sense that the NeverNever would have spells too. I mean if it didn't they would have a back door escape so to speak. The reason Harry didn't get killed was as I pointed out before, Leah had protected his home from the NeverNever.
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Might be the outer gates you describe there.... or just the Dreamland entrance (from Tibet?)
YoungestGruff:
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--- Quote from: raidem on March 01, 2018, 07:42:34 PM ---As to the argument about Merlin creating demonreach at different times all at once with the assumption that it is a single timeline really doesn't make sense. I mean, I'm known for out there time travel theories but for this to be true it exceeds my out there theories by far. My theories are typically a single time loop, not loop to the fifth power. This is why parallel realities are needed. We didn't know much about parallel realities but we were introduced to them in the same book that Bob models Merlin creating demonreach. There very well may be realities that spun off where Merlin didn't create demonreach. We are restricted to a set of realities so far where it has been created.
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But, raidem, that's part of the whole deal. Merlin is an uberWizard, so far beyond that even Bob can't totally grasp what happened. It's quantum physics magic: if you understand it, you really don't understand it.
Griffyn612:
Also, Bob showed Harry that time passed between events occurring in the same place. He showed trees growing and dying. Why do all that if it was a different island with different trees in a different timeline?
raidem:
The trees bit is essentially stating time passes.
The same location can be on 5different worlds at 5different Times. I really do believe parallel realities are going to be part of how Merlin created demonreach.
One fallback, though. It seems like each layered spells was building on top of each other, but the bowtie was the all at once.
We do know that demonreach had to dumb it down for Bob. So Bob's model about Merlin creating demonreach isn't necessarily exact or everything.
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