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The Watchers
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on February 12, 2018, 03:47:32 PM ---Quick clarification of what peregrine said: There is WOJ that their is a Special Collections Division of the Library of Congress, who are not to be messed with, and if Im not mistaken were confirmed responsible for Disappearing the Loup Garou video. So the Librarians are the only Name we know for an In-The-know Government Organization.
The Watchers are different. There is no confirmed connection between the Watchers and, well...anything at all but Mac himself, whom is the only one that we know of. Certainly there is nothing yet staying the Watchers are government related.
Not saying the theory couldnt prove true, I just wanted to make sure nobody was basing their theories on the belief we had any Watchers=Government WOJ. As you were. :)
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Yeah I just started calling them Watchers because I didn't know what else to call them. I theorized that Mac could have been a member, but it's not a really strong theory for me.
On the subject of the government killing vampires and it sparking a backlash... Why? If it was done in secret why would people in the supernatural community assume the government was involved? The Red Court used mortal mercenaries on several occasions, one of them against the White Council and poison gas was used. If a black SUV pulled up alongside Lara Raiths vehicle, filled it full of holes, and drove away why would anyone think the government was involved? They would most likely assume it was just another member of the White Court, or someone else from the supernatural community who wanted Lara dead.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 12, 2018, 06:33:57 PM ---Yeah I just started calling them Watchers because I didn't know what else to call them. I theorized that Mac could have been a member, but it's not a really strong theory for me.
On the subject of the government killing vampires and it sparking a backlash... Why? If it was done in secret why would people in the supernatural community assume the government was involved? The Red Court used mortal mercenaries on several occasions, one of them against the White Council and poison gas was used. If a black SUV pulled up alongside Lara Raiths vehicle, filled it full of holes, and drove away why would anyone think the government was involved? They would most likely assume it was just another member of the White Court, or someone else from the supernatural community who wanted Lara dead.
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This is a reasonable argument but for one thing: Magic. With things like fairies and oracle spirits and creepy Loa dolls there are a lot of ways that supernatural forces could confirm it was the work of non-supernatural forces. Assuming of course that said Non-supernatural forces are ignorant of the sorts of Supernatural steps you'd need to take to cover your tracks. If they are Informed enough they'd be just as formidable as any other supernatural organization. Worst case it would be like the Church in that mortal lifespans lead to increased Turnover and thus increased chance for corruption to take root.
Griffyn612:
I suppose that's my biggest issue with the feasibility of it. Nicodemus has been around since long before North America was "discovered", and can hear anything said in the presence of a shadow (presumably if he knows where and when to listen).
The odds that mortals could successfully plot against him, or Mab, or Vadderung, seem extremely low. It'd require wards around facilities matching those at Edinburgh, which would themselves get noticed, peaking the interest of anyone that comes across them.
Them existing without anyone knowing about them seems incredibly unlikely.
Now, if we said their existence was known by the bigger players, but they're allowed to exist because they're considered harmless, but they were actually accruing knowledge and limited power in secret, I'd be inclined to believe it.
Here's how I'd do it. I'd make the immortal human Ziusudra the secret co-founder of the Library of Congress, and the founder of the Special Collections division. Being close to 5,000 years old, he'd be well known in the magical community, but lacking any actual power, he'd only be respected rather than feared.
With knowledge being power, he'd be formidable. He and his organization would match the intelligence and knowledge of the Archive, but without the raw magical ability. To compensate, he'd work with those who did. I could see him recruiting wizards to secretly help him.
We know from WoJ that all of the most powerful wizards have struck deals and dealt with others to gain power. Maybe Martha, Listens, and Eb are all allies of SC, and have helped them ward buildings and such in return for information. Such a faction would be alarming to Arthur, further explaining his dislike for the American consolidation of Senior Council power.
But I also like the idea of Ziusudra being above such petty politics, and could see him enabling or founding similar groups around the world (British Library, Library & Archives of Canada, etc, etc). Or the Special Collections division actually spans nations, with departments across the globe all reporting to him.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 13, 2018, 06:58:18 PM ---The odds that mortals could successfully plot against him, or Mab, or Vadderung, seem extremely low. It'd require wards around facilities matching those at Edinburgh, which would themselves get noticed, peaking the interest of anyone that comes across them.
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Under my theory they aren't stupid enough to mess with players like Mab, or Vadderung. If they even get involved to the point of killing anyone it would be lower level players like vampires who are maybe getting a little too close to mortal power. For example if Lara was spotted rubbing elbows with people in the White House. They might decide she's too close to the President and decide to take her out.
jonas:
I'ma put one out now... that I've been sitting on since say... CD's? Which came about from looking into a woj about 2 things missed in TC.
There is another restaurant in TC from which Madeline received her calls... someone over there watching events unfold under the same guise as Mac?
It is my belief, Mac, and two others staying in the same profession world over are actually the origins of the Graces upon the swords. It's why Mac knows 3 are coming. few postulations. The other guy is in Egypt, we know one lineage of KotC was recently from Egypt, Mac stayed in the same town as the current wielder of Love when he set up shop, the Egyptian was holder of Hope directly before Sanya.
Now for an indecipherable tangent:Mac and the 3 are the in direct correlations to 5 version of himself, the other two ending up Uriel the young and the Lucifer the trapped. Him being the most recent incarnation not of Merlin, but having followed that bit of his path/shadow in the repeating history of the gyre.
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