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Altered Carbon - Could Netflix do Dresden?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Kindler on February 14, 2018, 05:35:06 PM ---How dare you?!?! Sam Raimi has an unimpeachable record! (/joking)
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Dont get me wrong, I have High Hopes for his KingKiller Chronicles
--- Quote ---Shannara was a really, really important book series for me. I read it during a particularly formative period, when I was first articulating myself as a writer, so what they've done to the series is a huge sore spot. I hate everything about it (though I agree Allanon was cast perfectly fine, I just hate the direction they took the character).
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Im looking at it more like a comic book adaptation, trying to enjoy it in it's own right and viewing any book elements more as cool cameo's and call-outs, rather than being perpetually disappointed by it's far-ranging deviation.
--- Quote ---My argument against Codex being a series is that you will inevitably have to stretch it to fill each season. You will have filler, and I do not have confidence that it can be as good as the books. It's the opposite problem that film adaptations have (which is that they cut too much). I don't want a series about Tavi going to the Academy and learning that it sucks to not have furies while he makes unlikely friends like Max (for example). There's a reason that all of that stuff happened in the years between the books.
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I really dont think this would be a problem these days, as odds are what they like to call a "season" these days is only going to be 8-12 episodes, rather than the 20-24 of days past.
--- Quote ---Maybe there can be a medium between the two; limited series developed by Netflix or HBO or something, that can take however long is appropriate without overstuffing an already full concept with frivolous stuff.
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This would be my hope: one Netflix "Part" per book, which are consistent enough in length to all fit similar allotments of screen-time.
--- Quote ---Hell, maybe get some indie developer like Rooster Teeth, which has shockingly high production value, and make it into a web series—all of their ongoing productions flow well enough that you can watch them as a movie. I'd even be fine with them animating it; they've proven they know what they're doing. Though I guess they'd be accused of overlapping too much, as there are enough similarities between Codex Alera and RWBY.
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I have Doubts it would be what WE'd all hope (RIP, Monty :'()
--- Quote ---Anyway, I just want there to be good, high production value adaptations. I think it'd be best served as a set of movies. If the meat isn't cut, I won't argue about the fat; I don't want another Harry Potter fiasco, which, in my opinion, should be an example of how not to faithfully adapt a story.
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I agree with the sentiment, I just dont think the feature-length movies are the best way to go, for two reasons: 1) they have the most history of trying to change the core story that we loved in attempts to make it appeal to broader movie-going audiences, which usually ruins what made the story popular in the first place, and 2) Feature length films, even franchises, will always try their to cram a complete story into a single volume, meaning no single book is ever going to get more than 2-3 hours all in, whereas even a short mini-series or well-funded (GoT or Netflix style) show has the freedom to spend 8-12 hours without being beholden to the 2-hour story rhythm a feature needs.
--- Quote ---Peter Jackson did it right. He didn't lose much aside from Tom, and didn't mess up much aside from Faramir.
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Lets just pretend the Hobbit never happened so that I can agree with you :P
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Quantus on February 15, 2018, 04:31:48 PM ---Dont get me wrong, I have High Hopes for his KingKiller Chronicles
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I just don't want it to take away from Ash vs. Evil Dead.
--- Quote ---Im looking at it more like a comic book adaptation, trying to enjoy it in it's own right and viewing any book elements more as cool cameo's and call-outs, rather than being perpetually disappointed by it's far-ranging deviation.
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I don't judge taste in media; like what you like. After half a season, I was just angry. I can deal with deviations and such, but not when it's bad deviation, if you catch my meaning. For example, what was done to Fred and George in the Harry Potter movies. Order of the Phoenix should have been their character climaxes. I'm not fan of JK Rowling's writing style by any means, but I'll be damned if they didn't have one of the most satisfying departures from the main story I've ever read. And the movie relegated that to about half a scene. That's the kind of thing I want to avoid; halfhearted attempts to adapt things that are there, but failing miserably to do so in a way that is remotely satisfying, and only vaguely resembles the skeleton of the source material.
Imagine the final duel of Furies of Calderon, on the battlements, and imagine it being done in less than a minute, with no buildup or drama. Technically it's present, but it's just... empty. That's my fear of any adaptation attempt.
--- Quote ---I really dont think this would be a problem these days, as odds are what they like to call a "season" these days is only going to be 8-12 episodes, rather than the 20-24 of days past.
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Maybe. I only have previous examples to point to. Game of Thrones is done pretty well, but even that feels bloated with 13 episode-seasons. I liked last season's shorter approach, because it felt like things were actually happening in each installment, rather than once every few episodes an Important Thing happens.
--- Quote ---This would be my hope: one Netflix "Part" per book, which are consistent enough in length to all fit similar allotments of screen-time.
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Dare to dream.
--- Quote ---I have Doubts it would be what WE'd all hope (RIP, Monty :'()
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Monty was and is irreplaceable, but the rest of the team grew and adapted. Fights lack the insane complexity of the Project Freelancer setpieces, but they're perfectly as they are now. I don't know if you've seen the latest season of RWBY, but some of those fights restored my confidence, particularly in the last few episodes. Still, I can only dream about what Monty Oum would have done with a pair of metalcrafters dueling for several minutes. There simply can be no substitute.
Regardless, I think Rooster Teeth would be able to do a really good job overall, and I'd be pumped to see what they did with pitched battles, which isn't something they've ever done before. So long as they didn't take art direction from 300, it'd probably be great.
--- Quote ---I agree with the sentiment, I just dont think the feature-length movies are the best way to go, for two reasons: 1) they have the most history of trying to change the core story that we loved in attempts to make it appeal to broader movie-going audiences, which usually ruins what made the story popular in the first place, and 2) Feature length films, even franchises, will always try their to cram a complete story into a single volume, meaning no single book is ever going to get more than 2-3 hours all in, whereas even a short mini-series or well-funded (GoT or Netflix style) show has the freedom to spend 8-12 hours without being beholden to the 2-hour story rhythm a feature needs.
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Yeah, dumbing things down to appeal to a broad audience is a danger.
I'd honestly be most afraid of them turning the Canim into dumb beastmen. It'd be a horrible mistake, but I can see some executive going, "But they're big and furry. Audiences don't want clever beast enemies, they want something to hate so they feel smarter."
--- Quote ---Lets just pretend the Hobbit never happened so that I can agree with you :P
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I don't count the Hobbit trilogy; I'm just talking about the Lord of the Rings. So yes, we agree :).
Talby16:
--- Quote from: Kindler on February 15, 2018, 06:03:21 PM ---I'd honestly be most afraid of them turning the Canim into dumb beastmen. It'd be a horrible mistake, but I can see some executive going, "But they're big and furry. Audiences don't want clever beast enemies, they want something to hate so they feel smarter."
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The Canim culture is one of my favorite things about the Codex Alera series. Cursor's fury is my favorite book due to the battle between the Canim and First Aleran. I want to see Varg in all his glory!
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Talby16 on February 15, 2018, 08:14:10 PM ---The Canim culture is one of my favorite things about the Codex Alera series. Cursor's fury is my favorite book due to the battle between the Canim and First Aleran. I want to see Varg in all his glory!
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It's one of the reasons I like the series so much; Tavi's rise in popularity and power felt earned, especially after Cursor's Fury. I've read a few books where the power creep and character shilling was just annoying, because it didn't feel warranted in the context of the story. Ditto Dresden; Harry's earned his Terror Hero reputation.
Foxed:
I still think that with minor changes you could group three books into a season and get a decent season every time:
Season 1 (StF, FM, GP) - Insert Bianca into Fool Moon and you got a big bad.
Season 2 (SK, DM, BR) - Insert Thomas into Summer Knight and you have a Thomas season.
Season 3 (DB, PG, WN) Add Cowl into Harry's PTSD in Proven Guilty and call it a day.
Season 4 (SmF, TC, Changes) - Thread Peabody into Small Favor and call it a day. You've earned it. Plus, Changes makes a hell of a finale.
Season 5 (GS, CD, SG) - Pretty solid through line that puts Harry back together by the end of the season. Mostly.
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