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Altered Carbon - Could Netflix do Dresden?
wardenferry419:
I like Foxed's plan.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Kindler on February 15, 2018, 06:03:21 PM ---Monty was and is irreplaceable, but the rest of the team grew and adapted. Fights lack the insane complexity of the Project Freelancer setpieces, but they're perfectly as they are now. I don't know if you've seen the latest season of RWBY, but some of those fights restored my confidence, particularly in the last few episodes. Still, I can only dream about what Monty Oum would have done with a pair of metalcrafters dueling for several minutes. There simply can be no substitute.
Regardless, I think Rooster Teeth would be able to do a really good job overall, and I'd be pumped to see what they did with pitched battles, which isn't something they've ever done before. So long as they didn't take art direction from 300, it'd probably be great.
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Im a big fan of RvB, but I never was able to get into RWBY, something about the faces and way they moved outside of the awesome combat scenes hit me too hard in the Uncanny Valley to really give it the chance it deserved (and Im a massive anime fan so it's not just the BESM style). But that's really my only hesitance with Rooster Teeth: while they've proven capable action animators they arent the best when it comes to original art assets or design or conveying subtle human emotion and facial movement and whatnot.
--- Quote ---Yeah, dumbing things down to appeal to a broad audience is a danger.
I'd honestly be most afraid of them turning the Canim into dumb beastmen. It'd be a horrible mistake, but I can see some executive going, "But they're big and furry. Audiences don't want clever beast enemies, they want something to hate so they feel smarter."
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I dont think that will be a problem because they'll have too much fun with their Werewolf Samurai culture.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Foxed on February 15, 2018, 11:36:07 PM ---I still think that with minor changes you could group three books into a season and get a decent season every time:
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How long are you picturing these seasons? If possible wouldnt want to give any book less that maybe 4 episodes worth of screen-time (ie 3 full hours)
--- Quote ---Season 1 (StF, FM, GP) - Insert Bianca into Fool Moon and you got a big bad.
Season 2 (SK, DM, BR) - Insert Thomas into Summer Knight and you have a Thomas season.
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Id call Thomas a guest start for the first season, but I think you'd really need him and Justine at Bianca's ball if you are going to have DM and BR make sense. Personally I wouldnt mind it if he disappeared for the SK arc and resurface with Ortega and the vampire subplot.
--- Quote ---Season 3 (DB, PG, WN) Add Cowl into Harry's PTSD in Proven Guilty and call it a day.
Season 4 (SmF, TC, Changes) - Thread Peabody into Small Favor and call it a day. You've earned it. Plus, Changes makes a hell of a finale.
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Id say no need to involved Peabody in SmF if he was on-screen at the SK Council Meeting and maybe one or both PG Trial.
--- Quote ---Season 5 (GS, CD, SG) - Pretty solid through line that puts Harry back together by the end of the season. Mostly.
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The only (potential) issue I see here is that Jim's long said he viewed Changes, Ghost Story and Cold Days as a sort of Mini-trilogy. Plus Id be kinda sad to see Morgans death relegated to a mid-season beat. I think it TC be a great finale on it's own, and if they are mean they end it with an after-credits cliffhanger of "I answered the phone, and Susan Rodriguez said, “They’ve taken our daughter.”" Then you get a full season devoted to Harry's Parethood lessons, and by then SG will likely make more sense grouped with Peace Talks as they take the last-season Gates Reveal and swing the focus back to the global threats.
Also, I would very much enjoy them sprinkling the Short Stories in there as well, which IMO would help since my preferred schedule would slow down around DB where the Shorts began. For example, I would want Heorot before SmF, Something Borrowed before PG, Day Off before TC if possible, and Aftermath, Even Hand and Bombshells in their proper chronological place. And I think I would really enjoy if they did Fistful of Warlocks just before DB.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Quantus on February 16, 2018, 01:50:52 PM ---Im a big fan of RvB, but I never was able to get into RWBY, something about the faces and way they moved outside of the awesome combat scenes hit me too hard in the Uncanny Valley to really give it the chance it deserved (and Im a massive anime fan so it's not just the BESM style). But that's really my only hesitance with Rooster Teeth: while they've proven capable action animators they arent the best when it comes to original art assets or design or conveying subtle human emotion and facial movement and whatnot.
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There was a dramatic improvement in animation quality after the first season of RWBY. I was hesitant too, because I thought it looked terrible overall from the start. It felt like something an indie developer would make for a Nintendo system. It still feels like a video game rendering system, but for something actually good, like Valkyria Chronicles.
To me, the biggest flaw was always the weird physics. Models never seemed to actually interact with anything, just sort of collide with it. Picking something up might look like they pass their hand over it, and suddenly they're holding it.
That and some serious genre shifts later on makes it worth sticking with, in my opinion. It takes a serious turn, and the happy-go-lucky, genki style of the beginning moves on to way darker material. That and, you know, raised stakes, et cetera.
RT really likes to take something, start it off light and funny, then have a dramatic twist that takes things in an unexpected direction.
--- Quote from: Foxed on February 15, 2018, 11:36:07 PM ---I still think that with minor changes you could group three books into a season and get a decent season every time:
Season 1 (StF, FM, GP) - Insert Bianca into Fool Moon and you got a big bad.
Season 2 (SK, DM, BR) - Insert Thomas into Summer Knight and you have a Thomas season.
Season 3 (DB, PG, WN) Add Cowl into Harry's PTSD in Proven Guilty and call it a day.
Season 4 (SmF, TC, Changes) - Thread Peabody into Small Favor and call it a day. You've earned it. Plus, Changes makes a hell of a finale.
Season 5 (GS, CD, SG) - Pretty solid through line that puts Harry back together by the end of the season. Mostly.
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I can get behind tweaks like that. So long as it doesn't screw up the lore and adds to the story rather than detracts from it, I'd be fine.
Not sure I agree about ending a season with Cold Days, Quantus. The Gates make it seem like the scope of the overall series is going to change, but it really doesn't in Skin Game; the stakes shrink down to personal, relatively minor political maneuvering. Peace Talks will bring the scale back to a global level, but Mirror Mirror probably won't. Then comes Fight Night, right? I think it'd make more sense to do Peace Talks (which, I believe, will feature a lot of fan service, with returning characters galore), then Mirror Mirror (which will likely feature many of those reintroduced characters but in a separate, bizzaro-world context), then Fight Night, where Harry returns to solve a more run-of-the-mill mystery, but is introduced to a different pantheon of gods, who will presumably be bigger players moving on.
Plus it's kind of hard to beat the ending of Skin Game; it's Harry's first total, untarnished victory. He feels guilty about Ascher, Murphy getting hurt, and is worried about losing the Grail, but he's finally got some of the things he wants. Things will be more different for him in Peace Talks than they were at the start of Changes, but the message is still the same: Harry's back, and Chicago's his turf.
That's how I see it, anyway.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Kindler on February 16, 2018, 02:58:36 PM ---Not sure I agree about ending a season with Cold Days, Quantus. The Gates make it seem like the scope of the overall series is going to change, but it really doesn't in Skin Game; the stakes shrink down to personal, relatively minor political maneuvering. Peace Talks will bring the scale back to a global level, but Mirror Mirror probably won't. Then comes Fight Night, right? I think it'd make more sense to do Peace Talks (which, I believe, will feature a lot of fan service, with returning characters galore), then Mirror Mirror (which will likely feature many of those reintroduced characters but in a separate, bizzaro-world context), then Fight Night, where Harry returns to solve a more run-of-the-mill mystery, but is introduced to a different pantheon of gods, who will presumably be bigger players moving on.
Plus it's kind of hard to beat the ending of Skin Game; it's Harry's first total, untarnished victory. He feels guilty about Ascher, Murphy getting hurt, and is worried about losing the Grail, but he's finally got some of the things he wants. Things will be more different for him in Peace Talks than they were at the start of Changes, but the message is still the same: Harry's back, and Chicago's his turf.
That's how I see it, anyway.
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That should only be an issue if you are trying to make Skin Game stand on it's own, but it wouldnt need to because it would be part of the SG/PT Season (or even SG/PT/MM). But I think thematically Skin Game is a big deviation from the three before, but would jive much better with Peace Talks since both are about the wider political situation of the world.
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