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Altered Carbon - Could Netflix do Dresden?
Rasins:
--- Quote from: raidem on February 13, 2018, 11:14:59 PM ---Any other good time travel etc series out there other than continuum and travelers. Something recent.
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I know you said, "GOOD", but ... DC's Legends of Tomorrow is all about time travel.
Talby16:
--- Quote from: Kindler on February 14, 2018, 05:35:06 PM ---Maybe there can be a medium between the two; limited series developed by Netflix or HBO or something, that can take however long is appropriate without overstuffing an already full concept with frivolous stuff.
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The only way I would want to see Codex on the TV is as a limited run series. Only make the number of episodes needed to tell the story. I prefer a limited run series over a movie because I would hope that the bare minimum would be left on the cutting room floor. Movies cut parts out to maintain pace and spacing of plot elements. If you have an 8 or 12 episode tv series pacing and plot spacing can be handled easier without resorting to cutting things out.
--- Quote from: Kindler on February 14, 2018, 05:35:06 PM ---My argument against Codex being a series is that you will inevitably have to stretch it to fill each season. You will have filler, and I do not have confidence that it can be as good as the books. It's the opposite problem that film adaptations have (which is that they cut too much). I don't want a series about Tavi going to the Academy and learning that it sucks to not have furies while he makes unlikely friends like Max (for example). There's a reason that all of that stuff happened in the years between the books.
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As far as filler goes, throw money at Jim Butcher and ask him to write some short scenes (doesn't even need to be short story length) detailing things like the battle of Seven Hills, Septimus meeting Isana, Septimus courting Isana, First Calderon/Death of Septimus, Fidelias between Academ and Cursor's Fury etc. Heck, most of them wouldn't even require a story treatment, just an outline of the locations, events, and actions.
--- Quote from: Kindler on February 14, 2018, 05:35:06 PM ---Anyway, I just want there to be good, high production value adaptations. I think it'd be best served as a set of movies. If the meat isn't cut, I won't argue about the fat; I don't want another Harry Potter fiasco, which, in my opinion, should be an example of how not to faithfully adapt a story.
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I think we have had this discussion before, but I agree completely with the mistreatment of the Harry Potter Book series. To me, this is the biggest example of the shortcomings of using movies to adapt a multi book series. Use HBO or Netflix limited series just to cut out meddling studios.
--- Quote from: Kindler on February 14, 2018, 05:35:06 PM ---Peter Jackson did it right. He didn't lose much aside from Tom, and didn't mess up much aside from Faramir.
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Peter Jackson did the LOTR trilogy right. I agree completely. I don't even mind the greater prominence given to Arwen. The Hobbit series is another example of a poor book adaption, but that cannot be laid at Peter Jackson's feet IMHO.
Rasins:
There are only two things I didn't like about how Jackson did LOTR.
The Hobbits got their weapons from the Barrow Downs. In the movie, Strider gave them to the Hobbits.
And Tom Bombadill.
Tom can be overlooked. He didn't really add anything to the story. But the adventure in the Barrow Downs would have been a great set up to show how the Hobbits developed for later.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Rasins on February 14, 2018, 07:23:20 PM ---I know you said, "GOOD", but ... DC's Legends of Tomorrow is all about time travel.
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The Arrowverse shows are a bit of an occasional guilty pleasure of mine. First couple of seasons of Arrow were pretty awesome, and the Flash got pretty good after it found its footing. Haven't watch LoT, but it's still around, so it must have something going for it.
--- Quote from: Talby16 on February 14, 2018, 07:37:16 PM ---The only way I would want to see Codex on the TV is as a limited run series. Only make the number of episodes needed to tell the story. I prefer a limited run series over a movie because I would hope that the bare minimum would be left on the cutting room floor. Movies cut parts out to maintain pace and spacing of plot elements. If you have an 8 or 12 episode tv series pacing and plot spacing can be handled easier without resorting to cutting things out.
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I agree in spirit; too much is axed for the sake of brevity, which I understand, but dislike. Specifically for the Codex Alera, I don't think more than six hour-long episodes would be necessary; there's just not all that much in any given book to warrant more. Like I said before, Furies of Calderon can be done in two hours, pretty easily. Even Second Garrison isn't all that long; it's three waves, broken up with three duels (spoilered since this is Dresden Country)
--- Quote ---(Pirilous vs. Aldrick, Doroga vs. Atsurak, and the Mighty Fade vs. Aldrick). Personally, I've wanted to see the look of terror and denial on Aldrick's face in live action since I read the book; it's probably my favorite reveal in recent literature, and I think it was built up superbly—especially considering this was Jim's first crack at high fantasy at this level of writing. And Pirilous's death was perfectly handled—sudden and brutal, the result of minor hubris, and reinforces Gaius's later insistence that "big things are made up of small things." A cut to the forehead hours before that wasn't properly attended cost him his life in a critical moment. I kinda wish there had been a call back to that later on, but maybe I'm just too romantic about some things.
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--- Quote ---As far as filler goes, throw money at Jim Butcher and ask him to write some short scenes (doesn't even need to be short story length) detailing things like the battle of Seven Hills, Septimus meeting Isana, Septimus courting Isana, First Calderon/Death of Septimus, Fidelias between Academ and Cursor's Fury etc. Heck, most of them wouldn't even require a story treatment, just an outline of the locations, events, and actions.
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I can get behind something like that. I've just gone through several anime phases in the last several decades, and have seen filler just about kill my interest in serialized shows. The first round of Fullmetal Alchemist I just couldn't like, for instance, because so much of the plot was shoehorned into place by people who don't know what they're doing.
I'd be okay with adding background stuff, especially about Septimus, so long as it was done right, and with Jim's heavy involvement. That's the kind of thing that can be done without devoting entire episodes to them, especially as Isana was there for Second Calderon. I never felt like Septimus was much of a character, so working with someone like him and developing that—something that is essentially a blank slate—might be all right.
--- Quote ---I think we have had this discussion before, but I agree completely with the mistreatment of the Harry Potter Book series. To me, this is the biggest example of the shortcomings of using movies to adapt a multi book series. Use HBO or Netflix limited series just to cut out meddling studios.
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I agree most of the time. My objection is turning Codex Alera into Game of Thrones, if you catch my meaning; we don't need eight, thirteen-episode seasons for this, and to do so would be a disservice to a book series that is naturally fast-paced. It's why any adaptation of the Dresden Files needs to be kept lean and tight, covering a few books each season, and ONLY those books (in my opinion), maybe with a clip show of the short stories that take place in between the books ("Day Off" would be so much fun to see it's stupid).
--- Quote ---Peter Jackson did the LOTR trilogy right. I agree completely. I don't even mind the greater prominence given to Arwen. The Hobbit series is another example of a poor book adaption, but that cannot be laid at Peter Jackson's feet IMHO.
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Yeah, didn't the studio pressure him to split it into three? I will give him one thing: he did "The Unexpected Party" precisely how I wanted it. My dad and I saw the trailer together, and I looked over at him and said, "If 'The Unexpected Party' isn't the first half of this movie, Peter Jackson should be mauled by syphilitic koalas." LoTR is as special to me as it is to Jim: when I was a kid, my dad read to me every night, and we got through The Hobbit, The Fellowship of the Ring, and half of the Two Towers. After that, he started his business, and wasn't home until later. So, as a second-grader, I picked up the books and finished them, which pretty much set me down the path I'm on now.
Anyway, Peter Jackson did a great job for the part that mattered most to me, and I'm thankful for it. Jim Butcher deserves his own Peter Jackson.
raidem:
I watched one episode like far in to the series. It was way too much action.
I just finished watching future man. Great show.
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