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Cold Days: Attack on Demonreach
raidem:
Sorry. I revised it.
The bird signified the end of the day, and start of the next. per Bob.
--- Quote ---“How big a window do I have? When does Halloween night end?” I asked. “At the first natural morning birdsong,” Bob replied promptly. “Songbirds, rooster, whatever. They start to sing, the night ends.”
--- End quote ---
Butcher, Jim. Cold Days (The Dresden Files, Book 14) (p. 100). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
raidem:
Corzarkian, you make a good argument though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween
In some cultures, it is a three day event.
For the argument purposes, it's irrelevant. Vadderung just told Harry “Most likely not tomorrow,” Vadderung said. “Altering one’s past is more than mildly difficult.” This contradicts Bob's "Look, the rock they're throwing hits tomorrow,"
This comment is actually a bit confusing. Vadderung here is either implying Harry or Vadderung's own past would be changed by 'the attack being tomorrow." This is further confused timewise by Kringle pushing the Wild Hunt out of it's time trap. We think this pushed him either up or downstream. It likely sped his time up to slow Wild Hunt's time down.
Cozarkian:
Halloween ends at first natural birdsong on tomorrow, Nov. 1. Bob explains that the rock hits on tomorrow, Nov.1 but doesn't know when the attack is. Vadderung's tomorrow references the throwing of the rock, not the landing of the rock. They most likely aren't throwing the rock tomorrow pm, because the explosion would have already happened, tomorrow am, which would change the past.
At least, that's my best attempt to make it all non-conflicting.
raidem:
The rock throw and hit is a dumbed down version that isn't the model he shows Harry. So, it is inaccurate in some respects.
This "sullen red light that began to pulse lightly at the westernmost edges of the great design" corresponds with where the barges approach from, I think. I believe it is the landing of the barges that creates the dissonance that unwraps Merlin's workings. They occur on Halloween.
--- Quote --- I would guess, roughly, that the attack must originate only hours from the actual, real-time occurrence.” “Which is tomorrow,” I said. “So it’s happening sometime today or sometime tomorrow.” “Most likely not tomorrow,” Vadderung said.
--- End quote ---
This means it's not tomorrow, and that it occurs today with each event within hours of each other. Since 'today' is 10/31 and tomorrow is 11/1, the attack takes place today as we see it does. Vadderung refers to both rock throw, rock hit within hours of each other.
My arguments allow for the rock throw and rock hit to be during Halloween, part 10/31 part 11/1.
I get stubborn though if you push the argument and say the rock hit is past 'Halloween' and on 11/1 (not on 'Halloween').
My thinking is that the banefire as a result of the attack would be activated while Halloween is active not when it isn't.
jonas:
Two points to make I think,
1, I kinda agree with this, it should hit in the future, maybe I need to reread that scene(which i'll do tonight I think) but I thought that's what was up,
2 i'd argue wither the immortals in the mantle could truly be killed with Banefire. It may kill them in most all senses but I think the universe will still have that memory to try to fill up and since human memory has not truly forgotten those things they could reemerge.(this is why I think outsiders try to take on the constructs of dead deity) Plus the results would be catastrophic anyway, they are the source of all negative energy in the world(from 'the well' description) Without those forces contained in reality balance would have to be resettled somewhere.
But as long as humans remember I think their reemergence will be faster than most.
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