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jonas:

--- Quote from: Ananda on January 16, 2018, 11:41:07 PM ---I don’t know that much in-depth about the christian myths, but, since fantasy and magic is real in the DF universe, this is perfect for Deirdre to show up with the jesus mantle later in the story. If Nic plays some significant role in the other faction, then they will have to face each other.

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*facepalm* Deidre the savior... finally a theory I despise more than Simon the Cowl. Deidre died for her father, not for humanity.

Ananda:

--- Quote from: jonas on January 16, 2018, 11:51:32 PM ---*facepalm* Deidre the savior... finally a theory I despise more than Simon the Cowl. Deidre died for her father, not for humanity.

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Oh, come now. It’s a fun idea. Ultimate irony for Nic that Deirdre was a true believer in self sacrifice to save the universe and she returns in the opposite “court” as a figure opposed to him. Also, she said in the book that she was saving the worldin her candid chat with Dresden.

--- Quote ---“We,” she said, with perfect serenity, “are fighting to save the world.”
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Also, Nic gave her a gentle admonishment for loving too much.

jonas:

--- Quote from: Ananda on January 17, 2018, 12:35:16 AM ---Oh, come now. It’s a fun idea. Ultimate irony for Nic that Deirdre was a true believer in self sacrifice to save the universe and she returns in the opposite “court” as a figure opposed to him. Also, she said in the book that she was saving the worldin her candid chat with Dresden. Also, Nic gave her a gentle admonishment for loving too much.

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I mean, technicality she might have returned in the cosmic order, but I don't see a direct JC connection. I think though, that was part of how she was safe from the 'Enemy'. In order to be reborn into the cosmic side of things I think you have to you know move on and face judgement. Which I think is the Enemy/Adversary role currently filled by Nemesis. In the Jewish Cabbalistic sense the inversion of our angel/star, God was Satan, replaced classically by Lilith, who judges imbalance in the world. I think Nemesis and the idea of Lilith meet a head in the current Adversary.
Anyway, point being I think her staying there was a way to avoid Final Judgement in favor of a purgatory type existence, in a section of the Underworlds. Plural.
*the admonishment I kinda understand but I don't have enough hard points to make. Something to do with being pure of mind/soul so as to not have any cracks. which is a paltry explanation I know, but something about what Nic said about being his path combined with what I know about Walkers and walking paths makes me think Nic is overly aware of how afterlife formalizes itself to the newly deceased, How starborn and everything else is connected. He IS a spymaster.

wardenferry419:
I saw that facepalm and comment about Simon the Cowl.  :) But, it's all good. Everybody has their quirky theories.

Kindler:
I actually like the Red Court or the Red King as War. The Red Horseman is usually described as either war or slaughter, which fits the Red Court pretty well.

Any of the Vampire Courts could get pegged as Famine; they do spread Hunger (or thirst). The White Court could actually be the White Rider—that's Conquest or Pestilence. Considering Thomas's line about Lara seeking greater power, actually going for control now, Conquest seems like it might fit.

Harry's the Pale Horseman, as far as I'm concerned—once he gets the Blackstaff. Also, check out that Hades (and possibly the Wild Hunt) reference(s) in the New American Standard Bible translation:

"When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, "Come." I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth." (Rev 6:7-8).

Now, other translations refer to it specifically as Hell, which could mean either Nicky and the Nickelheads, Hell itself, or that Satan decided Humanity was on the home team.

If Monsieur Butcher (pronounced "boo-shay" in an outrageous accent) does decide to adapt Revelations, it's perfectly possible for all of visions to come true, but none of it to mean what biblical scholars assumed; it's all about Outsiders.

It's pretty fun to think of ways to adapt the Horsemen, or the Seals (and Vials/Bowls and Trumpets) into a world like the Dresden universe. Ditto any of the end-of-days scenarios. They can all actually coexist with enough application of "From a certain point of view," too, so it's not like we have to only pick one.

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