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jonas:
So, in light of the fact I enjoy reveling in a new find and thought I should share it with others, I wanted to point out something and talk a little about The Antichrist/Biblical apocalypse, which is of course tied into the others(and I can prove it!)
Simply put, when the antichrist first rises he will sign a peace treaty and that will begin the 7 year countdown to the return of Christ. 3 1/2 yrs in the peace will prove false and we will have 3.5 years of living hell instead.
Peace Talks is book 16, the BAT kicks off roughly 3.5 years later(following the yearly schedule in books) and Ends 3.5 years more... Peace Talks is the first sign.
Now the precise person referenced and their exact connection as Antichrist is open for interpretation even after an actual peace accords because of the way the visage of antichrist is actually broken down... but it's very much a mix of Marcone and Harry. Divide known features of the antichrist between the two.(plus Nic as the seedier bits, the blasmphemer. I suspect Lara for my own reasons as well... yea, not female, whatever. I suspect more accurately she may be War's newest incarnation as it was used to strangle the WC)
Anyway... more of what we already know, the end is nigh and all that ;)
(and yes, I probably could make a deeper richer version, but would you believe me anyway lol?)

khadgar4606:
okay we are out of our depth in here. we can discuss nick trying to enact second coming of Christ via having same old relics jesus have in his time but this is way to apocalypse theory then I want.

as for lara becoming anti Christ nope! nope! nope! she wants to keep herd safe not usher the freaking apocalypse. Its nicky and the nickel heads domain. and Lara is to smart to play proverbial Lilith in the plans.

Quantus:
Lets first clarify what the actual Role of the Anti-Christ would be in the upcoming BAT? 

For example, the Apocalypse literally means an Uncovering (ie "Revelation") so Id long assumed it would involved the mundane world as a whole becoming aware of the supernatural, mostly likely through some massive and impossible to deny catastrophe or invasion or some such.  As such I could see nearly any character responsible as the Antichrist my that virtue, but they'd be acting as a TruthBringer so they'd hardly be as vilified as the antichrist typically is.  This "Grey Antichrist" could be almost any of our heroes: Harry, Marcone, and with enough irony if could even be one of the knights I suppose.

On the other hand, the term itself comes exclusively from the gospel of John, and is used 4 times in the singular and once in the plural ("As you heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come.").  In that, the author specifically defines it as "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son".  So in that interpretation of their role Id say the Anti-Christ(s) are those that Choose to ally themselves against the forces of TWG and the angels, specifically, so Id say Nic is by far the most appropriate of the known characters but really the Denarians as a Side would all qualify since the plural is referenced.

Or, the more more popular image of the Antichrist is to be the one personally responsible for the BAT itself, either by Choice or by Fate.  By Choice Id list the possible candidates as Elaine, Harry, and Cowl.  By Fate Id call it Elaine, Harry, and Faith Astor.

jonas:

--- Quote ---as for lara becoming anti Christ nope! nope! nope! she wants to keep herd safe not usher the freaking apocalypse.
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Yes... and in doing so she will become the new formation of 'war', a stagnant suffocating peace. Have to break down the base elements and apply new spins to the aspects already present...
--- Quote ---Lets first clarify what the actual Role of the Anti-Christ would be in the upcoming BAT?
--- End quote ---
Which one? We have Marcone whose going to apply to the criminal/empirical aspect, Harry who takes on the inhuman Mother and inversion of Christ. Nic..., Nic might be key in actually having a 'rise' or replacement which with the repeating inverse and precisely how things appear to have turned out directly last time(which you can figure out which reign came directly before by remembering the father of the author of Dante's inferno was the previous gatekeeper... Which also tends to prove that as each generation overcomes the veil the previous 'threat' is brought inside and given balance)
Your complicating things too much I think, it should be easy to power point the aspects of the Antichrist and where manifest. He's to do war with the actual forces of 'heaven', in DF terms this is Harry fighting against a process enforced and enacted by the cosmic order of events, the hierchy itself.
lets see.... Will possess supernatural power, will be an atheist, will have jewish ancestory(I am highly suspect of Dresden on that), proud and arrogant,  deal in secrecy whenever possible, skilled in ambiguous speech, brilliant intellectual, deceive many people with words of peace, will be politically powerful, empowered by Satan, he will rule over the supernatural realm of the entire world, he will rule Babylon only in the second half of the 7 years, he will blaspheme God, He will worship satan and call himself a god requiring worship, He will kill the last Christian ushering in an end of the age.
These are the ones I've found currently pertinent for one reason or another.


*ohhh yea, totally germaine to the DF, historically, the antichrist was to be born from Etruscan, yea, that Etruscan :0 the one with the WCV's speech, iirc Ghoul origin connections and Nortia that other Nemesis identity...

Ananda:
I don’t know that much in-depth about the christian myths, but, since fantasy and magic is real in the DF universe, this is perfect for Deirdre to show up with the jesus mantle later in the story. If Nic plays some significant role in the other faction, then they will have to face each other.

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