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Queen Succession Rules
Arjan:
--- Quote from: raidem on January 13, 2018, 06:33:47 PM ---Just a note, I often type then post then add to so as to ensure my comment is at least posted. So, you may respond prior to my complete comment being viewed. :)
I believe there were two original maidens, mothers, crones that shared power that was once unified. I believe there was a WOJ that suggested Winter and Summer triads establishing their base of power rather than the three you suggest. There was a suggestion too that the original Fates were divided into halves but I think that is a bit separate than the individuals participating in creation of base of power with stone table.
Oh, you said mantles not individuals. I think if you go further back in time than what I was talking about above you come to the point you describe below:
I still don't think that the Queens would allow there to be that vulnerability to the succession. During that time of the succession, there would be no Mother, Queen until a successive Lady process could work out. You could save some time by short cutting that restriction and allowing some flexibility in the rules. Another vulnerability would be that if the Outsiders could simply contain or compromise this Lady during that time somehow, they'd stalemate an entire court however briefly til she broke free. I'm thinking she'd could be getting all three mantles at once maybe?
That actually brings us to the next question. Can one of the Queens hold another Queen mantle?
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It might have been the original mother earth mantle split into the maiden mother crone mantle as known from older mythology which was again split into the six we know now.
All as reaction to different situations. I think the splitting up was done for the same reason the winter mantle was created to get more flexibility, weaker mantles have more freedom of action and stronger mantles have more power when really needed.
But everything works with rules and with stories, the mothers might have no real choice about how it works.
Kindler:
I see it as if/then statements.
LET Role=Vessel + Mantle
IF Mother=0, THEN Mother=Queen + Mother Mantle - Queen Mantle
IF Queen=0, THEN Queen=Lady + Queen Mantle - Lady Mantle
IF Lady=0, THEN Nearest.Acceptable.Vessel + Lady Mantle = Lady
So I see this as the Lady Mantle seeking out the nearest acceptable vessel, then trading up twice, then seeking a fresh vessel and trading up once, then seeking a fresh vessel. I would argue that it would happen so quickly that it would appear to be simultaneous, and would functionally be such. The reason is that priority for the senior mantles falls to the line of succession; they promote from within, never without. The Ladies' mantles already default to nearest acceptable vessel, so there's no need to seek one from outside.
Quantus:
I see it going one of three ways, in order of disruptive:
1) Bottom Up: It is the task of the Lady's Mantle to seek out and Find new candidates, so the Lady Mantle would, in rapid succession, hop through the #1, #2, and #3 candidates until all three Mantle's were filled in order of the suitability of the available candidates. The Greater Mantles, which by definition have more difficulty traversing the Mortal World, would wait in the NN until this process was complete. Least Disruptive.
2) Top Down: The Mothers are described as the Foundation and Bedrock of the Courts, so all other Functions might be on hold until that mantle is filled. The result would be the same Top three most suitable candidates would get the three mantles, but all three would go out seeking in parallel.
3) Total Destruction: It remains possible that the Court structure would not survive the simultaneous death of all three Queens, that at least one is required to anchor the rest. Though, in an emergency the Knight might serve this function, being a literal splinter of the Queens' Power.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Quantus on January 15, 2018, 06:47:43 PM ---I see it going one of three ways, in order of disruptive:
1) Bottom Up: It is the task of the Lady's Mantle to seek out and Find new candidates, so the Lady Mantle would, in rapid succession, hop through the #1, #2, and #3 candidates until all three Mantle's were filled in order of the suitability of the available candidates. The Greater Mantles, which by definition have more difficulty traversing the Mortal World, would wait in the NN until this process was complete. Least Disruptive.
2) Top Down: The Mothers are described as the Foundation and Bedrock of the Courts, so all other Functions might be on hold until that mantle is filled. The result would be the same Top three most suitable candidates would get the three mantles, but all three would go out seeking in parallel.
3) Total Destruction: It remains possible that the Court structure would not survive the simultaneous death of all three Queens, that at least one is required to anchor the rest. Though, in an emergency the Knight might serve this function, being a literal splinter of the Queens' Power.
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Question: in scenario three, assuming the Court structure is simultaneously destroyed, is it possible that the Mantles would revert to the opposing Court's domain? Not to be filled, but for them to administer?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Kindler on January 15, 2018, 06:51:46 PM ---Question: in scenario three, assuming the Court structure is simultaneously destroyed, is it possible that the Mantles would revert to the opposing Court's domain? Not to be filled, but for them to administer?
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I dont think so, based on the idea that the two Courts are so intrinsically connected and Balanced against each other such that /Both/ would come crashing down together. Id imagine it more likely the energy would Scatter, settle in the Table until somebody claimed, or revert to some other unified form the Mantles themselves have once known (ie a re-unified Hecate Mantle).
And that's separate from the more specific question of whether you could Kill only one Mother and not both, or actually Kill either at all... The specific circumstances would be important, Id wager
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