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Spoilers: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
raidem:
I don't really like your explanations of how Anakin restored balance to the force though I can buy into the Anakin kills Palpatine which finally begins the balancing of the force. I do believe we will find even with the Disney star wars movies that there is a big bad imprisoned within a black hole cluster which the Kessle run has to navigate around. This then possibly ties Han solos kessel run with finding the unknown safe route that allowed him to do it in under 12 parsers which everyone knows is impossible and believed to be just hyperbole.
This then means the chosen one's lineage and not necessarily himself is who all together bring balance to the force.
I was looking more at the Canon trilogy of books set after return of the Jedi. Palpatine foresaw the possibility of himself dying and issued contingency orders that ultimately led to the new orders creation. Two things that wasn't completed in the contingency was the destruction of jakku, Palpatine had planned for Sith artifacts to be dropped in jakku core via mining shaft which would initiate explosion and result in the subsequent destruction of planet and ships in orbit. Jakku was meant to be the last battle between empire and rebels with both their fleets destroyed in the planetary explosion. There was a plan that lured the rebels there which succeeded. The second thing that wasn't accomplished, scratch that was accomplished, was the scorching of a multitude of planets within the empire to include naboo, coruscant, etc. Palpatine believed if the empire was so weak as to protect him, it should die with him. He also didn't want someone to inherit his empire.
So the people responsible for the contingency, for the battle at jakku, for the kidnapping of some jakkus children became the core of the later new order after they set out for the unknown regions.
knnn:
All in all I felt this was a disappointing movie. I think the actors did really good jobs with the lines they were given, but the plot was abysmal, full of holes and way too long.
Some examples:
(click to show/hide)1) If Finn can just take a ship and jump away and come back at will, why not evacuate more people this way? Heck, why not evacuate everyone?
(click to show/hide)2) Maybe there were people profiteering from outfitting both the rebels and the first order with fighters, but those Dreadnaughts and the freaking super-death-star from the previous movie couldn't possibly have been done without the resources of a multi-planetary government behind them.
I mean sure, you can blame "bad guys" for selling guns and rockets to anyone that pays them money, but if ISIS suddenly had access to a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, and squadrons of state of the art stealth fighters, I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to come up with a better explanation.
Oh, and if the guy who is supplying things has access to both x-wings and tie fighters, why didn't the first order buy the better ships == you know, the ones that have actual shields and can do their own hyperspace jumps?
(click to show/hide)3) Sorry, but any movie where someone says "shooting is too good for them" in order to explain why someone can still be alive is a weak movie.
And what's with ordering up a formation of ~1000 troopsers just to see the execution? Why are you according "scum" this honor?
And why did Finn feel the need to go fight Phasma? Just run already.
(At least we've seen the end of her. Hopefully).
(click to show/hide)And why is Huck/Hux or whatever his name is still in charge? He's obviously incompetent (see the other admiral's comment in the first scene on how the fighters should have been launched already), so I kinda bought into the fact that supposedly mastermind Snoke raised him up above his station for "reasons".
But with said mastermind dead and two whiny idiots in charge, why should **anyone** still listen to them? Because Hux's a charismatic leader? Because Kylo can choke you if he doesn't like you and can block a couple blaster bolts? Jedi reflexes didn't stop then from getting slaughtered on Geonosis and didn't help them when Order 66 was given.
Face it, a large part of the reason the Emperor was feared was because he had an empire of resources and bureaucracy behind him. Kylo is barely competent enough to fly a single starship, loses control when anything goes wrong and has the less of an idea of how to run an organization than when I tried to run my own lemonade stand in first grade.
If this is the new "empire", then someone competent better challenge Kylo and Hux very soon. If on the other hand, this is just another group of terrorists, what's to stop any of the more competent admirals from just saying bye and jumping out to buy their own weapons from those dealers and carve out they're own little Duchy somewhere in space?
(click to show/hide)Not really a plot point, just meh.
You'll notice that every time Kylo does anything remotely independent, Snokes royal ninjas do the "hoo-ha" weapons flash to show how edgy and ninja-y they are and Snoke has to wave them down.
I'm not sure why Snoke thought he needed fiery red ninjas to defend him against anyone, but I'll bet their willingness to flip out and kill things at the drop of a hat must have started getting on his nerves. Remember the Emperor's royal guards? They never flinched in the face of Vader, never needed to prove anything.
As soon as I saw that first red ninja half pull out his blade and act menacing I died a little inside. It was obvious we were going to see them in battle and equally obvious who was going to die.
Literal. Ninja. Redshirts.
raidem:
2. Based off canon, Palpatine gave secret orders regarding a contingency where he sent several fleets and military assets in case of his death some of which was to seed the new order within the unknown regions. So he could have ordered them there postdeath plans Or they naturally assembled.
4. Hux was the son of brendol hux one of the leaders of the contingency. After his death at the hands of phasma in a conspiracy with younger hux, hux takes over his father's position as one of the leaders of the new order.
Prior to his father's death, he is looked favorably upon by gallius rax, Palpatine's trusted admiral that personally carries out Palpatine's contingency. I think either Palpatine or rax had larger plans for him which I believe is why he is in charge. He is maybe viewed as having a big role to play in events by those in the force who can see into the future. That would be my guess.
I believe we will see a revisit to jakku as Palpatine was very interested at a particular dig site, which is where he met gallius rax as a little boy. Rax would later make child soldiers out of those from jakku, and the orphanage from which he came that wads nearby the dig site. Some of these child soldiers were shaped into vicious killers by hux's father, but was transferred to younger hux by orders of rax. So although I kinda repeat the story, it should be noted that rax, the person most apprised of Palpatine's plans, placed younger hux in his position along with many other child fighters that would form the base of the new orders military might. Please note, those child fighters came from jakku.
forumghost:
--- Quote from: raidem on January 10, 2018, 09:46:28 PM ---2. Based off canon, Palpatine gave secret orders regarding a contingency where he sent several fleets and military assets in case of his death some of which was to seed the new order within the unknown regions. So he could have ordered them there postdeath plans Or they naturally assembled.
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Actually, the new canon is that in the event of his death, the Imperial Fleet was to engage in something called "Operation Cinder" which can be summed up as "A Galaxy not ruled by me doesn't deserve to live, Kill Everything".
He literally ordered them to burn every world in the Empire for failing to keep him alive.
raidem:
There was the Contingency, as I outlined.
Operation cinder I talked about too but not by that name which is just part of the Contingency. Read 3rd paragraph of my first comment on this thread. The second thing that wasn't accomplished...scratch that was accomplished...was the scorching of a multitude of planets...
I also have previously referred to operation cinder in the thread before but Canon also has Palpatine ordering a regrouping of ships after his death that wasn't involved in cinder. Those big starships crashed on jakku was part of a battle Palpatine intended to happen. It just didn't happen along with the entire planet going up in a blast taking out both fleets at once. And yes, the empire fleet at jakku wasn't the only assets he had. And they had ultimate orders for them to reassemble in the unknown regions as ordered via rax. The trilogy books are Canon.
I'm going with it being a part of the Contingency. Yeah cinder was just part of the Contingency I just viewed its wiki.
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