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Spoilers: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Kindler:
--- Quote from: forumghost on January 08, 2018, 10:04:59 PM ---TLDR: New movies are shit because they're busy trying to tear down the old movies to prop themselves up, instead of trying to be good on their own merits.
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Honestly, that was my biggest problem with The Last Jedi. I liked the Force Awakens, and still do (I know it's popular to dump on it now, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with nostalgia). TLJ felt like an overcorrection to the criticism leveled against the Force Awakens about said nostalgia. Like I said before, you can do new stuff, but Newness is not a virtue in and of itself, and doesn't require "killing the past." There were bright spots; I liked the opening sequence, I thought Rey and Kylo were good, and about half of Luke's scenes were good (but I really didn't need to see him drinking blue milk fresh from an udder, for instance).
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on January 08, 2018, 11:36:08 PM ---I think that preaching socio-political messages as plot points does not work for sci-fi movies. Focuse on making the movie good and the message will get across.
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I generally agree. I think it dragged down the movie, especially Rose's character, whose only role seemed to be telling everyone around her that they were stupid. It felt like self-insert fic. That and, you know, grinding the movie to a halt to talk about animal cruelty.
I'm just mad because I really, really, really wanted to like it, and this movie felt like it was insulting me for liking the ones that came before it.
Talby16:
A little late to the party, but I read an interesting take on the whole bringing balance to the force issue. I will try to find the author, but essentially the assertion was that Anakin brought balance to the force by killing the Sith Order. Since Darth Bane the Sith have lived by the rule of 2 keeping the number of dark side users artificially low. Granted, there were other dark side users out there (Nightsisters for example), but nothing like the Sith Empire of Old. So on one side you had thousands of Jedi using the light side versus a limited number of Sith tapping into the Dark Side. That was the imbalance. By killing Palpatine and then dying Anakin killed the Sith legacy and the majority of the Sith teachings (outside of Holocrons) was lost. This, along with the previous destruction of the Jedi Order, would allow for an organic growth of light and dark side users and restore a balance between the two sides.
Rasins:
I like that Talby.
I'd heard a different theory about it once.
Basically the Jedi were protecting the ecosystem from Pollution.
Imagine a beautiful meadow/pond ecosystem in perfect balance. Predator/Prey were in balance. Any impurities were filtered through the system all was good.
Then the Sith came along and started dumping toxic waste into this ecosystem.
The Jedi were supposed to prevent it, and eventually were unable to and it would require a savior (The One Who Will Restore Balance).
I think I like your's better.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Talby16 on January 10, 2018, 04:33:34 PM ---A little late to the party, but I read an interesting take on the whole bringing balance to the force issue. I will try to find the author, but essentially the assertion was that Anakin brought balance to the force by killing the Sith Order. Since Darth Bane the Sith have lived by the rule of 2 keeping the number of dark side users artificially low. Granted, there were other dark side users out there (Nightsisters for example), but nothing like the Sith Empire of Old. So on one side you had thousands of Jedi using the light side versus a limited number of Sith tapping into the Dark Side. That was the imbalance. By killing Palpatine and then dying Anakin killed the Sith legacy and the majority of the Sith teachings (outside of Holocrons) was lost. This, along with the previous destruction of the Jedi Order, would allow for an organic growth of light and dark side users and restore a balance between the two sides.
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That's what I've always thought; Anakin reduced the number of Jedi to two (Yoda and Obi Wan) to match the number of Sith (himself and Palpatine).
I'm ignoring Extended Universe stuff. I never bothered with any of it (aside from a couple of the Wedge Antilles books a while back, because they're funny).
Talby16:
I think it also has to do with the concentration of power, not just the absolute number of light and dark side users. The Sith were keeping the number of dark side users low and concentrating the use of the dark side in a few. Thus the dark side was not getting used much, but when it did it had much wider implications (starting a war, toppling the republic, setting up an Empire etc). Contrast that with the light side which had thousands of Jedi using their power on a daily basis to settle all kinds of relatively minor conflicts. It was that imbalance in power usage/access that Anakin corrected.
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