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Shagnasty and co. all nemfected?
jonas:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 15, 2017, 07:49:58 PM ---I don't believe we have had it confirmed that the infiltrator Nemesis was literally the Greek goddess Nemesis, rather than another entity taking up that name (like the Lords of Outer Night pretending to be the Mayan gods).
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Key point, when they stole the identity they changed the names too.
I am now trying to remember which theology it is where Lucifer's revolt is prompted by being absolutely horrified that the WG would be so evil as to enable humans to make choices that would deny them Heaven.[/quote]Which if you read is precisely my point there man... precisely my point...
--- Quote ---Besides, TWG is all judgey. Lucifer loves and rewards everyone, no matter how bad. The bit in the Gospels about loving your enemies comes to mind.
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The original testament was, and that is again already accounted for in my head, but before that, see above and remember this is an artistically licensed book, not the gospel.
--- Quote ---There's a connection between necromancy and Outsiders, beyond that free-willed humans interested in causing havoc mess about with them both and the White Council think both are a bad idea?
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Non sequitur? *shrugs* idk see what the line of though is here.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Firestarter on December 15, 2017, 07:48:00 PM ---Outsiders are beings from outside our reality. That's how they are always described.
And I'm fairly certain, that Nemesis isn't the greek goddess of retribution and just punishment. I'm farily certain, that it has something to do with modern english meaning of the world which is akin to "Enemy", "Adversary" or "Satan" ..
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The Adversary was a heavenly role Lucifer occupied(has NO connotations to the Satan actually) mainly shown in the book of Job. His role as the Devil was after the fall.
Hence why you can say her role but not the name there.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: jonas on December 15, 2017, 08:35:17 PM ---We know it wasn't OG Merlin because Jim said so.
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OK, I'd not seen that one.
--- Quote --- Granted that is a logical leap in reasoning there, but not an unfounded one since we have an Nfected meave seeking to break open the well. It's safe to assume they have allies or otherwise contained individuals in there for those reasons.
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Or they just want to release evil stuff to cause chaos and act under cover of that chaos. No formal alliance necessary.
--- Quote ---The connection between DR and Outsiders is most outright stated by DR himself, when he names them Old Gods with capitalization in the book(unless i'm wildly misremembering something I thought before when I read it) vs Harry's proclamation in DB of the same manor towards the Outsiders as Old Gods and their servants.
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I think you are misremembering here.
IIRC, Old Gods is used in several places to refer to the polytheistic deities who are mostly in the NN and not affecting Earth any more, as by Harry in PG. The gods of the Outsiders are the Old Ones.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: jonas on December 15, 2017, 09:01:12 PM ---Key point, when they stole the identity they changed the names too.
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Remind me what you are referring to here,
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--- Quote ---I am now trying to remember which theology it is where Lucifer's revolt is prompted by being absolutely horrified that the WG would be so evil as to enable humans to make choices that would deny them Heaven.
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Which if you read is precisely my point there man... precisely my point...
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Your point was that being in favour of free will may not make TWG a good guy, and being against it may not make Lucifer evil, too ?
--- Quote ---Non sequitur? *shrugs* idk see what the line of though is here.
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The line of thought is, you drawing a connection from Outsiders to naagloshi to necromancy-powered Black Court vampires seems to me to be lumping three disparate things into one without evidence enough to do so.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 15, 2017, 08:40:53 PM ---The red court as pretenders is Harry's wishfull thinking. Odin was quite clear about it. They used to be gods and were worshiped by a whole nation just like him.
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We know from various sources (Harry in PG, the bassanid in "last Call") that the old gods mostly left Earth and the bassanid at least believes TWG had something to do with it.
Nothing prevents the original mayan gods being kicked out whenever that happened (which I think was most likely around the time of Christ, am I remembering the bassanid referring to about two thousand years correctly?) and the Red Court who replaced them having centuries to be worshipped as gods before the various relevant Mesoamerican cultures collapsed.
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