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Shagnasty and co. all nemfected?

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the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:

--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on December 15, 2017, 12:03:58 AM ---Angels were messengers of God and some of them fell. Sometimes messengers don't get the message. :)

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Depends on their motives.

(Never mind sacrificing your life for your friends, how great a love does it take to sacrifice eternity ?)

Firestarter:
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh: While I enjoy your posts, I'd like to bring your attention to the existence of the *gasp* "modify" button.

jonas:

--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 15, 2017, 07:41:05 PM ---Since when has everyone been willing to accept that guy as Nemfected?  Last I heard, the prevailing wisdom was that he was the original Merlin and in there voluntarily.

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We know it wasn't OG Merlin because Jim said so. Unless you think him being deceptive he specifically tells Harry he needs to be in there. Granted that is a logical leap in reasoning there, but not an unfounded one since we have an Nfected meave seeking to break open the well. It's safe to assume they have allies or otherwise contained individuals in there for those reasons. The connection between DR and Outsiders is most outright stated by DR himself, when he names them Old Gods with capitalization in the book(unless i'm wildly misremembering something I thought before when I read it) vs Harry's proclamation in DB of the same manor towards the Outsiders as Old Gods and their servants.

Arjan:

--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 15, 2017, 07:49:58 PM ---I don't believe we have had it confirmed that the infiltrator Nemesis was literally the Greek goddess Nemesis, rather than another entity taking up that name (like the Lords of Outer Night pretending to be the Mayan gods).

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The red court as pretenders is Harry's wishfull thinking. Odin was quite clear about it. They used to be gods and were worshiped by a whole nation just like him.

jonas:

--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 15, 2017, 07:43:26 PM ---Have we some evidence for Grey's Rent being a general skinwalker thing rather than specific to Grey in particular, who seems to be only part-skinwalker?  The comparison that makes most sense to me there is the changelings in SK (and Sarissa in CD) making particular efforts to choose to be human or Faerie or indeed to defer choosing.

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Is it not a succinct enough parallel? Skinwalkers are drained constantly by being on foreign land on top of being already diminished by leaving. This is similar to Threshold rules, for a reason. They are violating the current Spiritus Mundi of earth, that which defines it's reality and set's it's cosmic rules apparently, TWC. They are in a very basic way incroaching on his home turf. Grey being part SW seems to have the same problem but he combats this by paying 'Rent'. Keeping his fluid mortal nature in positive spectrum, much like Kringle(the courts specifically and intentionally ride the balance so neither side wins out) himself with his gift giving. he gives more than he receives in return.
Again, this positive-negatve spectrum is found in everything, but being Outsider seems to imply having no positive connections to reality at all(which includes memetics in humans, though not always). It's why Warden became wardens, Wizards who violate the laws are actually in one way or another violating that same freedom of will, Warlocks and Necromancers don't use positive energy anymore, just as Fallen don't use soulfire, they use Hellfire. Everything exists on this spectrum, and humans are the perfect alloy of it all, and capable of rotating the composition too.

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