The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Shagnasty and co. all nemfected?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 15, 2017, 09:35:08 PM ---We know from various sources (Harry in PG, the bassanid in "last Call") that the old gods mostly left Earth and the bassanid at least believes TWG had something to do with it.
Nothing prevents the original mayan gods being kicked out whenever that happened (which I think was most likely around the time of Christ, am I remembering the bassanid referring to about two thousand years correctly?) and the Red Court who replaced them having centuries to be worshipped as gods before the various relevant Mesoamerican cultures collapsed.
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--- Quote ---“What you must understand is that you face beings such as I in this battle.”
I frowned. “You mean . . . gods?”
“Mostly retired gods, at any rate,” Vadderung said. “Once, entire civilizations bowed to them. Now they are venerated by only a handful, the power of their blood spread out among thousands of offspring. But in the Lords of Outer Night, even the remnants of that power are more than you can face as you are.”
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That seems quite clear and Vadderung should know.
jonas:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 15, 2017, 09:31:43 PM ---Remind me what you are referring to here,
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Kulkan usurped identity from Quetzalcoatl. The blood sacrifice thing and the overtaking of cultures happened in the same cultural revolution, just as the Greeks did turning into the decadent Romans(probably not a coincidence we met Hades, not Pluto even though Pluto is a more recent mask). The newer names were what they became known under after a change had set in giving rise to a new identity(though you could argue it was vice versa, Frozen and all the kid friendly things haven't changed the Fae yet)
--- Quote ---Your point was that being in favour of free will may not make TWG a good guy, and being against it may not make Lucifer evil, too ?
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Point being TWG being a champion of goodwill and Lucifer's power described as unable to even have room for the concept of freedom is purely a DF creation, Jim's work. Giving it more meaning than borrowed aspects
--- Quote ---The line of thought is, you drawing a connection from Outsiders to naagloshi to necromancy-powered Black Court vampires seems to me to be lumping three disparate things into one without evidence enough to do so.
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Welcome to the C.I.A. Dr. Holmes. The evidence is all there already. I can continually point it out, though if the circumstances are agreed upon is an entirely other matter.
Firestarter:
--- Quote from: jonas on December 15, 2017, 10:44:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 15, 2017, 09:31:43 PM --- The line of thought is, you drawing a connection from Outsiders to naagloshi to necromancy-powered Black Court vampires seems to me to be lumping three disparate things into one without evidence enough to do so.
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Welcome to the C.I.A. Dr. Holmes. The evidence is all there already. I can continually point it out, though if the circumstances are agreed upon is an entirely other matter.
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1. Sherlock Holmes was not a Dr. . Watson was the Dr. Also: The person Holmes' character was based upon was. Which is quite funny, since House was somewhat based upon Holmes.
2. Trying to push Outsiders, Naagloshii, possibly Reds and Blampires into one group is kinda silly. What is this? Scott Pilgrim vs. The World? It's perfectly fine to have multiple actors with their own agendas in this. Makes things a lot more interesting. If it ends up Harry vs. everyone else and he's also expected to win... well... the story would suck.
wardenferry419:
I sometimes think that all the supernatural in our world got their power from the outsiders and the outsiders want it back.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Firestarter on December 16, 2017, 11:57:17 AM ---Welcome to the C.I.A. Dr. Holmes. The evidence is all there already. I can continually point it out, though if the circumstances are agreed upon is an entirely other matter.
1. Sherlock Holmes was not a Dr. . Watson was the Dr. Also: The person Holmes' character was based upon was. Which is quite funny, since House was somewhat based upon Holmes.
2. Trying to push Outsiders, Naagloshii, possibly Reds and Blampires into one group is kinda silly. What is this? Scott Pilgrim vs. The World? It's perfectly fine to have multiple actors with their own agendas in this. Makes things a lot more interesting. If it ends up Harry vs. everyone else and he's also expected to win... well... the story would suck.
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SInce you can't seem to make comments refuting others without adding in biting retorts, i'm going to block you now, thanks guy. I mean hell, I think it's silly to refute someones theory or idea without seeing the base points of why they have it, but that's just me.
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