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Was Ascher telling the truth?
Paviel:
--- Quote ---I doubt she made it up entirely. It's a poor liar who makes stuff up that can be easily fact checked like that.
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But Ascher had a very good liar on her side, and there was no way that Harry could have fact-checked her claims before they would have been no longer relevant.
That said, I think it's more like Lasciel to play reverse psychology on Harry by telling him the truth in this instance, just to shake his faith in magic in case he succeeded in killing Ascher and then investigated her past more thoroughly.
forumghost:
That's my take too.
Hannah was deliberately chosen as Lasciel's host precisely because of her history, gender, and personality, all to fuck with Dresden, make him more likely to overlook any suspicions he has, and more willing to hesitate when the time came.
Suffice to say that this failed.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 06, 2017, 08:45:25 AM ---Every terrorist organisation could say that.
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And if they have the power to back it up, it's true. At the end of the day, anybody can claim authority, but to borrow a line from Tolkien, "a king he is who can hold his own'.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Kindler on December 06, 2017, 03:44:50 PM ---The Wardens are of particular interest to me, after some extended study of criminal justice programs. Dresden uses cop analogies for them, but that doesn't really apply.
They're Special Forces. They're not investigating a crime, or bringing in someone for questioning, or even bringing in someone for a trial. They're getting to a high-priority target. If they can reasonably take that person down without undue risk to themselves, great. If not, lethal measures are necessary. You're dealing with warlocks, those who have enough power and a willingness to disregard the Laws. They can summon demons, kill with a ritual, or invade someone's mind if they're not prepared for it. They're dangerous threats that need to be neutralized.
The ones that get a trial are usually just for show, but that's because they always backslide. When a warlock backslides, people die. The two trials that we see include the Merlin personally soulgazing one (who was also obviously insane), and a full confession from another. Even Harry, who has huge reservations about the Wardens, recognizes that there really is only one way to deal with true warlocks. He argues for prevention, not clemency.
Anyway, that's what I think about it.
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Harry himself once told Karrin that over the centuries, the Council has made many efforts to rehabilitate warlocks, and it always failed with the ones who have really gone bad. Even Harry has had to reluctantly admit that the Council's attitude might be necessary, much as he loathes it.
That's what I meant above by 'prophylactic measures'. The Council treats warlocks less as criminals and more like plague carriers. Whether they're guilty or innocent, whether it's their fault or not, they cannot be allowed to spread the plague. Likewise, protecting the public from a potential warlock takes priority over fairness. That's pretty harsh, but at the same time, stop and think how much harm a warlock can do if he or she runs loose for long.
That said, the Council could use a better agitprop operation, for their own sake and the sake of yet-to-fall potential warlocks.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on December 09, 2017, 06:11:12 AM ---And if they have the power to back it up, it's true. At the end of the day, anybody can claim authority, but to borrow a line from Tolkien, "a king he is who can hold his own'.
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But a state does not hide. It claims territory and authority over people in a clear visible way. Terrorist organisations and criminal gangs hide.
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