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Was Ascher telling the truth?
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 05, 2017, 11:43:46 AM ---You know they are going to kill you mostly without a trial and sometimes with a show trial without any proper defense. There is a difference.Sure but that does not make her tale not true. Those cops are just vigilantes recognized by no proper state on earth anyway.
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They're recognized by the White Council, which is what matters. The Council would point out that they never authorized any state to be involved in the issue.
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That does not mean the wardens are necessarily wrong but it has nothing to do with morality, justice or even law. More with magical health control eradicating everything that can be a risk.
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True. The Laws are much more like prophylactic measures than they are 'justice.'
Arjan:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on December 06, 2017, 08:17:59 AM ---They're recognized by the White Council, which is what matters. The Council would point out that they never authorized any state to be involved in the issue.
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Every terrorist organisation could say that.
--- Quote ---True. The Laws are much more like prophylactic measures than they are 'justice.'
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wardenferry419:
I like that phrase "prophylactic measure." The wardens are the condoms of the White Council. They keep you from feeling the really fun stuff that can get you into bad trouble.
Mr. Death:
While you're being attacked by rapists is generally not when you're thinking tactically and analytically enough to say, "OK, what's the minimal amount of force needed to safely make these guys back off."
When you're being attacked like that, the much more likely thing to go through your head is more along the lines of, "GET OFF ME GET AWAY DIE DIE DIE!"
And, again, her power is fire. It's already hard to control, let alone when you're overcome with fight-or-flight emotion. "Just burn them half to death" is just not a reasonable suggestion. It's even less reasonable than the whole "shoot to wound" argument, and that's saying something.
Kindler:
The Wardens are of particular interest to me, after some extended study of criminal justice programs. Dresden uses cop analogies for them, but that doesn't really apply.
They're Special Forces. They're not investigating a crime, or bringing in someone for questioning, or even bringing in someone for a trial. They're getting to a high-priority target. If they can reasonably take that person down without undue risk to themselves, great. If not, lethal measures are necessary. You're dealing with warlocks, those who have enough power and a willingness to disregard the Laws. They can summon demons, kill with a ritual, or invade someone's mind if they're not prepared for it. They're dangerous threats that need to be neutralized.
The ones that get a trial are usually just for show, but that's because they always backslide. When a warlock backslides, people die. The two trials that we see include the Merlin personally soulgazing one (who was also obviously insane), and a full confession from another. Even Harry, who has huge reservations about the Wardens, recognizes that there really is only one way to deal with true warlocks. He argues for prevention, not clemency.
Anyway, that's what I think about it.
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