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Was Ascher telling the truth?
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Rasins on October 25, 2017, 03:45:18 PM ---I tend to agree with Mira here.
I'll add that if you are accused of killing someone in self defense, then you kill some cops because you are afraid they are going to kill you, you won't get a second chance. You will be taken out.
I see the council doing the same thing when their cops are killed by someone.
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That's part of what I mean when I say I think she's likely telling the truth, but not necessarily all of it. We have her version, which I suspect is basically true, but not necessarily the whole truth.
wardenferry419:
Like the 4 blind guys describing an elephant by touch, everything is POV. Though, I hate to be the blind guy who gets the rear-end.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Rasins on October 25, 2017, 03:45:18 PM ---I tend to agree with Mira here.
I'll add that if you are accused of killing someone in self defense, then you kill some cops because you are afraid they are going to kill you,
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You know they are going to kill you mostly without a trial and sometimes with a show trial without any proper defense. There is a difference.
--- Quote ---you won't get a second chance. You will be taken out.
I see the council doing the same thing when their cops are killed by someone.
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Sure but that does not make her tale not true. Those cops are just vigilantes recognized by no proper state on earth anyway. It is all self defense. Maybe self defense with excessive force but knowing how trigger happy the wardens are and how practically non existent the rehabilitation options are and how normal capital punishment is you can not expect anyone hunted by the wardens to turn herself in and not to act like a cornered animal.
That does not mean the wardens are necessarily wrong but it has nothing to do with morality, justice or even law. More with magical health control eradicating everything that can be a risk.
It can be defended because law breakers usually become big problems later but it is also a self fulfilling prophesy, this kind of hunting will drive people over the edge in the arms of people like Nicodemus or Lord Raith.
Bacchus:
wait im trying to remember wasnt Aschers attackers 3 vanilla mortal thugs and she already knew how to wield a decent bit of power.
That is completely different than if she was defending against a warden of the white council who had been wielding magic for many decades as dresden did.
didn't Dresden mention in ghost story how he would laugh at all the high school bullies because it would be so ridiculously easy for him to destroy them.
a few sparks thrown at their faces would have scared off the rapists or she could have just halfway burned them to death then slit their throats.
id say its probably true but it would have been very easy for her to survive without killing with magic and wouldn't fall under self defense with magic.
The exemption is only for the most extreme of cases.
also with geno maybe he was the some weakling emo bigfoot and the only reason he was so scary was because of the coin
wardenferry419:
I don't think we will ever get Hannah's whole story. Bad stuff happens in every life. Elaine took her bad stuff and became a detective. Murphy took her father's death and became a cop. Hannah took her bad stuff and became a destroyer.
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