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Was there a Dragon in Changes?

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Mr. Death:
You keep bringing in totally unrelated things.

What does the Outer Gates have to do with anything?

Harry not sensing the presence of the dark gods at DR is irrelevant, because he's never drawn power from those ley lines. You're comparing two different experiences. We've seen no other Wardens of DR, so your assertion that "even the wardens clearly familiar with the lines" don't know anything means nothing, because we haven't seen any Wardens of DR before Harry.

I'm not trying to "enforce" anything. I'm just pointing out that what isn't there isn't there.

What does there being a dragon there do for the setting, the book, or the conflict in that book?

Nobody sees it. Nobody hears it. It doesn't make itself known. It has zero presence in the huge, climactic, apocalyptic battle happening supposedly right over its head. Nobody who says anything about the site even remotely hints at the possibility of a Dragon. The one supposed "contribution" in the ley line is something that could be (and is) easily and acceptably explained by something else.

In short, if you have a Dragon that has absolutely no impact whatsoever on the one event that happens in the place, there's no point in there being a Dragon there at all.

Just because I don't buy into all of the dart-board-word-association theories on the boards doesn't mean I'm trying to "enforce" anything. The OP posed a question -- he wondered if there was a Dragon there. I say no, and I'm well within my rights to explain my reasoning.

raidem:
Again, I agree with Mr. Death.  There is an absence of Dragon references in the excerpt that was included.  I will now include what I say are real dragon references that support my idea that the Red Court placed their warehouse at the site of a Dragon hoard.


--- Quote ---We went deeper into the facility. The caves ran very deep back into the stone, and we’d gone down maybe a hundred yards after moving about four hundred yards forward on a spiraling ramp. The air grew colder, to the ambient underground average.
More than that, though, it gained a definite spiritual chill. Malevolent energy hovered around us, slow and thick like half- frozen honey. There was a gloating, miserly quality to it, bringing to my mind images of old Smaug lying in covetous slumber upon his bed of treasure. That, then, was the reason the Red Court had hidden its dark treasures here. Ambient energy like this wasn’t directly dangerous to anyone—but with only the mildest of efforts it would protect and preserve the magical implements jealously against the passing of time.
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There is no denying that excerpt screams Dragon. 
I also agree with Jonas as I too believe there is a dormant power at Chichen Itza, the disagreement is of what kind. 

Mr. Death:
Considering Harry literally names one, yeah, I'll say there's a lot more suggesting there was or had been a dragon there than at Chichen Itza.

raidem:
It, in addition to the WOJ about Dragon death curses, is why I believe the Red Court got tripped up on one.  They desecrated/appropriated in some way a site of a hoard of a dead Dragon.

--- Quote ---1) What ever happened to Siriothrax's hoard? Did any of the magical powerups in the series we've seen so far originate there?
1) Heh, it's still right where it was. NO ONE wants to pick up anything from a Dragon's hoard. Talk about Death Curses...

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jonas:
It supplants a nice connection on where ley lines all come from and why they exist. It's actually a highly logical idea the 'winged serpent' became part of such a power base that it could power 12 lesser gods. Sorry your perspective is too limiting to see anything not there directly. Must suck for you trying to play clue. Out of your element, no?

--- Quote ---You keep bringing in totally unrelated things.

What does the Outer Gates have to do with anything?

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Because he directly 'witnessed' that with his own senses and yet according to Woj it was ALL interpreted, which means what he 'felt' over imagined has no relevance here, the two are one and the same. He also felt things in FM, difference being he knew it was a hallucination then.

--- Quote ---Again, I agree with Mr. Death.
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Once is generally enough unless you wish to disavow something with your opinion.
Ya'll realize this ain't even my theory? I just refuse to allow you to shit on it based solely on your disagreeing.
ppl shouldn't lack such respect for others opinions and perspectives, the inability to do so is the direct cause of divisions and 'othering'.
the sentence smacks of a dragon's purpose just as the other place alludes to his aura of malcontent.
Quite frankly Rai, that colludes with them having a dragons power as their base more than detracts from it. bit's of dragony references abound.

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