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Does Molly still have her soul?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: DonBugen on September 27, 2017, 04:00:26 AM ---I know, right? And more than that, I wonder how Molly is really doing. I doubt that if she was horribly regretting it she'd be able to flat-out say anything.
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Lilly could so Molly can do so as well.
--- Quote ---You notice in Skin Game that she never actually goes out and says that she likes being the Winter Lady, or that she's OK with it. She doesn't say anything flat out.
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We have her inner monologue in Cold Case.
--- Quote ---I mean, I know that Harry mentioned at one point that Molly had a healthy dose of skepticism on organized religion, but there's a big difference between liking organized religion and believing in God. She literally lives in a world where she not only knows that the faith her parents taught her is real, she has constant proof of it. I mean, an archangel just hung out with them for the weekend and made blueberry pancakes.
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Sanya is wielding that sword and he is still sceptical about some things.
--- Quote ---If she did lose her soul, imagine KNOWING that the rest of your family, everyone you know, would live on for eternity in paradise...
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Actually what is next is not that certain. We have the stories of course but everyone we think has some knowledge about it refuses to tell anything.
--- Quote ---and that you would live for a very, very long time, but when you died, that would be it. You would just be done, and cease to be.
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Knowing you had done something that really mattered, defending reality itself. At the moment you try to save your soul at the cost of everything and everyone you are not really saving it. Molly has a purpose now and that purpose is important.
Molly also has a very strong sense of duty.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 27, 2017, 05:45:28 AM ---Lilly could so Molly can do so as well. We have her inner monologue in Cold Case. Sanya is wielding that sword and he is still sceptical about some things. Actually what is next is not that certain. We have the stories of course but everyone we think has some knowledge about it refuses to tell anything. Knowing you had done something that really mattered, defending reality itself. At the moment you try to save your soul at the cost of everything and everyone you are not really saving it. Molly has a purpose now and that purpose is important.
Molly also has a very strong sense of duty.
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I haven't read Cold Case yet, or any of the others that will be in Brief Cases, mostly because I refuse to buy a short story compendium (I don't particularly like short stories as a format; writing them was always a chore for me, so I stuck with novels with backstory notes; reading them tends to feel rushed to me) for one entry. I don't know what her inner monologue is like, but I'm excited to find out.
I'd argue that doing something worthwhile and having a purpose is great, but that doesn't mean you're happy about the price. No matter what, Molly is paying a price, and will continue to pay it, for a very, very long time (barring, you know, destruction of reality). It's made worse since this wasn't something Molly went into willingly, with any real grasp of the consequences. The Winter Lady's Mantle was shoved down her throat.
Being willing to pay a cost to make the best of a bad situation is different from being happy about it. She may not care about it in a hundred years when the Mantle asserts itself and pieces of Molly's personality get chipped away, but I'd be willing to bet she cares now.
I'd say that things may be turning out for the best with Molly as the Winter Lady, but that doesn't preclude it from being tragic.
peregrine:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 27, 2017, 05:45:28 AM ---Lilly could so Molly can do so as well.
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Lilly was Summer, not Winter. I can see Winter being very much of the "don't admit weakness" while Summer is much more into sharing.
Rasins:
This question is of particular interest to me, so I'd asked Jim about and was GREATLY unsatisfied by his answer.
I think what is meant is that someone does not give up that energy (if you will) that is your soul. What happens is it is your's when you are able to continue to make choices for the good.
Meaning if you lose your soul, what you've done is made so many decisions to be bad/evil/dark that it's almost impossible for you to make any decisions that are not bad/evil/dark. That you have basically given up your free will to the Darkness. The more you seek power, for whatever reason, the more likely you are darken your soul. The whole Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Mab may still have a spark of a soul, because she still believes she's doing what is good, even if the means are at times bad. She is totally Fae though, no matter what.
Molly still has most of her soul because she hasn't made those decisions that have "darkened" her soul to the point where she sees no choice but the dark choices..
I think Harry's assertion in the beginning of the series that the Fae have no souls is either wrong, or that their souls have changes so much, have lost so much of the ability to exercise Free will, that they are no longer recognizable by another (mortal's) soul.
I believe that if someone else tried to soul gaze Molly now, it would work. That her soul has not been so twisted and darkened yet to be un-touchable by another soul.
As to Lily ... Jim said that she had made her choice through her actions. She was just in denial about it. No clue about her soul thought.
As to Bob's having said that Lily was basically just Aurora after 10 years, I think he's making an assumption. Remember he didn't see Lily (or Aurora that we know of) either before she was Queen, nor when he'd made the 10-year comment.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: DonBugen on September 27, 2017, 03:44:19 AM ---Jonas, I’d be very interested to hear your WOJ on mortals losing their souls due to hideous acts yet continuing to live without souls. In fact, I’d actually like to challenge you on that, because it’s book-canon that all mortals have them, and anything that appears mortal but doesn’t trigger the soul gaze must be inhuman.
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I recall the one he's referring to (something about "just look at the average newscast"), but I see your point that it seems incompatible with what we know of soulgazes. Nicodemus is pretty much the paragon of human evil, and Harry is pretty sure a look in his eyes would be the next best thing to madness-inducing, rather than just nothing at all.
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