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Does Molly still have her soul?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on September 27, 2017, 01:38:44 AM ---I don't think she ever Chose fae. There was a WOJ that she was just mistaken at the end of SK in thinking she had a choice left at all - the clock was already ticking for her.
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You do not always have a choice in everything even if you have free will, some things are just forced upon you.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 27, 2017, 03:31:01 AM ---That is historical.
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No, that's conjecture. Not knowing about a thing does not remove the thing's existence. Stating the White God was not important in the past is conjecture. Uriel stated that he was fighting wars before Earth even existed. So TWG, and his Angels were around in the past, and that's in book information.
--- Quote ---There is also Hades comment that souls used to go to him and not to other places
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In book cannon states that the Angels job is to ensure Choice... If mortals chose to believe in a place like the Underworld, and Hades, it makes sense that he would get souls. People made their choice to believe in it.
DonBugen:
Jonas, I’d be very interested to hear your WOJ on mortals losing their souls due to hideous acts yet continuing to live without souls. In fact, I’d actually like to challenge you on that, because it’s book-canon that all mortals have them, and anything that appears mortal but doesn’t trigger the soul gaze must be inhuman.
--- Quote from: ”Fool Moon” --- "Why should I?" I snarled, and for once I didn't avert my eyes. I stared into her gleaming amber eyes and braced myself for the impact of looking into her soul, and for her to peer into mine.
Instead, nothing happened.
That, in itself, was enough to make my jaw drop incredulously. I continued the stare, and she didn't blink, didn't turn away - and didn't fall into soulgaze with me. I shuddered in reaction. What was going on? Why didn't the 'gaze begin? There were only two kinds of people whose eyes I could meet for more than a second or two: the people who had already met my eyes in a soulgaze were one kind; inhuman beings from the Nevernever were the other.
I had never looked upon Tera West's soul before. I remembered a soulgaze, every time it happened. The experience wasn't the sort of thing you could forget. That only left one conclusion.
Whoever she was - whatever she was, Tera West wasn't human.
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I mean, it’s always possible that Harry’s wrong. But I'm certain that either Justin or Ebenezer would have taught him the information he's stating about soul gazes, and I can't think of a good reason why either would be mistaken or intentionally misleading him. Furthermore, nothing in the Dresden Files ever seems to support that horrible people who have caused pain, death, and suffering on an exponential scale lose their souls. Laura Raith and John Marcone, for example, but have souls. Hell, even Rasmussen has a soul, and at that point he was slaughtering people as Ursiel for generations.
By the way, Corpsetaker’s an interesting case. It (and I’m referring to the Corpsetaker as It because she/he has identified as both, and has no fixed sex) doesn’t trigger a soulgaze when Harry stares at it in Ghost Story – possibly due to Harry being an emaciated soul and the Corpsetaker also being in spirit form – but then when it possesses Butters, it does soul gaze Molly.
I see two different possibilities. The first, and probably less likely, is that the Corpsetaker was a true ghost in Ghost Story – just an impression of the original person, but not them at all – and that it somehow created a soul by eating the spooks. The second, and more likely, is that its ability to swap its soul back and forth between person and person allowed it to ‘jump ship’ when Harry killed Luccio’s body, so Corpsetaker has been running around as a naked soul since Dead Beat. In this case, Dresden didn't trigger a soul gaze because he didn't have enough of a soul to do so, not the other way around.
But yeah, Corpsetaker soul gazes Molly. There’s no question about it. Corpsetaker has a soul, too.
groinkick:
Jim didn't say people lose their souls from doing bad things. He said that you lose parts of it, over time from doing bad things or words to that effect. The question is how much do you lose per act, and how much do you regenerate which it does do. If someone loses their entire soul, they would probably die just as Harry would if he used too much soulfire, according to Bob.
The way Jim described it, as I remember is that even Mab may still have some left. Mortals lose parts of their souls from doing bad things but mortals lives end probably before their entire soul is consumed. The difference between a mortal, and someone like Mab is that Mab lives much much longer giving her more and more time to lose bits, and pieces.
DonBugen:
--- Quote from: Kindler on September 26, 2017, 06:53:24 PM ---All that other stuff aside, even taking the Christian point of view into account—how will Michael, whose whole life is built around Catholicism, react if he finds out about the soul thing? From his perspective, assuming the above suppositions are true, his firstborn will never, no matter what, be able to join him in Paradise.
I'll be over here trying to get the image of a weeping Michael out of my head now.
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I know, right? And more than that, I wonder how Molly is really doing. I doubt that if she was horribly regretting it she'd be able to flat-out say anything. You notice in Skin Game that she never actually goes out and says that she likes being the Winter Lady, or that she's OK with it. She doesn't say anything flat out.
I mean, I know that Harry mentioned at one point that Molly had a healthy dose of skepticism on organized religion, but there's a big difference between liking organized religion and believing in God. She literally lives in a world where she not only knows that the faith her parents taught her is real, she has constant proof of it. I mean, an archangel just hung out with them for the weekend and made blueberry pancakes.
If she did lose her soul, imagine KNOWING that the rest of your family, everyone you know, would live on for eternity in paradise... and that you would live for a very, very long time, but when you died, that would be it. You would just be done, and cease to be.
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