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Does Molly still have her soul?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: lt_murgen on September 26, 2017, 02:18:04 PM ---I have a working theory on souls, spirits, mantles, and free-will. One day, I am going to do a complete re-read and work it through in totality. But in essence;
Soul: What you are, your essence and identity, at your core.
Spirit: The rules and beliefs with which you operate in the world.
Mantle: A specific set of rules and beliefs.
Free Will: The ability for there to be conflict and influence between Soul and Spirit.
So, to my theory, a human taking on a mantle brings a powerful new spirit (set of rules and beliefs) into the Free Will conflict. The less the humans fight the Mantle, the more it is able to assert its influence upon the soul. Essentially, the mantle will eventually overcome the soul- wiping out free will in the process. You simply become a conduit for the rules and beliefs inherent in the mantle.
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And if you then take away the mantle what will that person be?
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: isoycrazy on September 26, 2017, 11:29:48 AM ---Add in, it comes down to Molly's choices. I recall in Small Favor when Bob talked about things which will help Harry recover his soul when he uses Soul Fire. Like that, if Molly acts in intrinsically good ways, showing love and accepting love of family, being a good person, she can recover her soul. If she can save the children of Winter Fae from becoming soldiers, that will be a truly great act.
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I think there's more to it than that. Lily was trying to act in intrinsically good ways, and she still got her personality substantially overwritten in a decade or so.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on September 26, 2017, 03:55:02 PM ---I think there's more to it than that. Lily was trying to act in intrinsically good ways, and she still got her personality substantially overwritten in a decade or so.
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I do not think it is that simple. A summer lady can act in good ways as well. It is about having a strong personality and acting in a Lilly way.
Kindler:
Well, if their souls are lost, what happens to them? There is direct confirmation of an afterlife in the Dresden Universe. Does that soul get to move on when the mantle gets crammed in there? Will it ever? Because if it just gets consumed, then Mab sentenced Molly, Maeve, and Sarissa to actual, literal oblivion, eternity-wise.
DonBugen:
--- Quote ---I think there's more to it than that. Lily was trying to act in intrinsically good ways, and she still got her personality substantially overwritten in a decade or so.
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I think it's a bit telling that at the end of Summer Knight, Lily says that she hasn't yet made her choice on what to do. In Cold Days, she angrily says that she never had a choice. Lily can't lie, and she can't deceive herself... so what does she mean by this? I mean, if the soul is protected by choice, what can she mean?
I think that yes, this might be one of those gradual, little-at-a-time things, like how someone gives in to the fallen in a coin. Give an inch, then an inch, then an inch, and before you realize what you've done you're neck deep and sinking fast. And you didn't even realize you were making the choice to give up your humanity because it all happened so subtly.
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