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Does Molly still have her soul?
jonas:
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on September 26, 2017, 09:28:04 AM ---I would say her soul has been suppressed by her Mantle in order for her to perform her duties. If Mab still has a remnant after over a thousand years than Molly would still have most of hers even if it is not as easy to access.
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Supressed and slowly consumed. Thematically, the biggest difference between a fallen and a Mantle is the Fallen is technically in the coin. The mantle wraps itself around your soul directly and the more you use it the more it replaces you. And... the biggest difference between a possession and a Mantle is the Mantle has no consciousness attached, its the subconscious mantle impressing upon the consciousness itself. All 3 are spiritual entities.
Mira:
Though with the death of Maeve, Mab showed some vulnerability and admitted to Harry she was "human" once. Kringle then warned Harry never to to tell anyone what he witnessed in Mab or have that kind of confrontation in front of anyone because she is very proud. Hint of still having a soul? Or just a frank admission that she was human at one time?
I think we are confusing behavior with facts.. One can have a soul and still act coldly, badly, or down right evil, the way that Denarians act for the most part under the influence of their coins, yet they still have souls.. Or at least the Nights of the Cross think so, their primary mission is the attempt to help them give up their coins and start on the road to redemption..
So having said all of that, does Mab still have a soul? If she does she'll never admit to it... Does Molly? I'd say she does and I doubt that she will lose it...
isoycrazy:
Add in, it comes down to Molly's choices. I recall in Small Favor when Bob talked about things which will help Harry recover his soul when he uses Soul Fire. Like that, if Molly acts in intrinsically good ways, showing love and accepting love of family, being a good person, she can recover her soul. If she can save the children of Winter Fae from becoming soldiers, that will be a truly great act.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 26, 2017, 11:26:57 AM --- Though with the death of Maeve, Mab showed some vulnerability and admitted to Harry she was "human" once. Kringle then warned Harry never to to tell anyone what he witnessed in Mab or have that kind of confrontation in front of anyone because she is very proud. Hint of still having a soul? Or just a frank admission that she was human at one time?
I think we are confusing behavior with facts.. One can have a soul and still act coldly, badly, or down right evil, the way that Denarians act for the most part under the influence of their coins, yet they still have souls.. Or at least the Nights of the Cross think so, their primary mission is the attempt to help them give up their coins and start on the road to redemption..
So having said all of that, does Mab still have a soul? If she does she'll never admit to it... Does Molly? I'd say she does and I doubt that she will lose it...
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I think the discussion gets confused because we are not always talking about the same thing when we use the word soul, even in the dresdenverse.
It can be the thing Bob sees that you can exchange with other humans while hugging them or it can be an abstract thing, the essence of your being as Mother Summer describes it. Becoming evil can be described as loosing your soul because you are no longer the person you were so your essential You-ness is gone but you are still something.
lt_murgen:
I have a working theory on souls, spirits, mantles, and free-will. One day, I am going to do a complete re-read and work it through in totality. But in essence;
Soul: What you are, your essence and identity, at your core.
Spirit: The rules and beliefs with which you operate in the world.
Mantle: A specific set of rules and beliefs.
Free Will: The ability for there to be conflict and influence between Soul and Spirit.
So, to my theory, a human taking on a mantle brings a powerful new spirit (set of rules and beliefs) into the Free Will conflict. The less the humans fight the Mantle, the more it is able to assert its influence upon the soul. Essentially, the mantle will eventually overcome the soul- wiping out free will in the process. You simply become a conduit for the rules and beliefs inherent in the mantle.
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