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Does Molly still have her soul?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Kindler on September 26, 2017, 04:29:28 PM ---Well, if their souls are lost, what happens to them? There is direct confirmation of an afterlife in the Dresden Universe. Does that soul get to move on when the mantle gets crammed in there? Will it ever? Because if it just gets consumed, then Mab sentenced Molly, Maeve, and Sarissa to actual, literal oblivion, eternity-wise.
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That is a very Christian point of view. Mab is not a Christian.
--- Quote ---“To fulfill one’s purpose is not to be a slave, my daughter,” Mab said.
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groinkick:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 26, 2017, 05:57:54 PM ---That is a very Christian point of view. Mab is not a Christian.
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It's a Dresden Files in book view. Also the idea of a soul is not limited to Christianity. Mab also is well aware of the White God, she makes note of it. She has a more knowledgeable, and complete understanding to God's existence making her in some ways closer to God than the most devout religious person who will always have at least a tiny bit of doubt, doubt Mab does not share.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Kindler on September 26, 2017, 04:29:28 PM ---Well, if their souls are lost, what happens to them? There is direct confirmation of an afterlife in the Dresden Universe. Does that soul get to move on when the mantle gets crammed in there? Will it ever? Because if it just gets consumed, then Mab sentenced Molly, Maeve, and Sarissa to actual, literal oblivion, eternity-wise.
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It seems to be a process of diminishment rather than switching off at a certain discrete point. The WOJ was that Mab might still have the tiniest spark of a soul somewhere in there, but it would be hard to ever know for sure. (Mind you, given that he has also said regular mortals can lose their soul through enough bad choices, a millennium or so of having to make brutally utilitarian choices as the military commander of reality's defenses at the gates might have taken quite a toll on her even without the effects of a mantle).
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 26, 2017, 05:57:54 PM ---That is a very Christian point of view. Mab is not a Christian.
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I didn't mean to imply Christianity, and if it came off that way, I'm sorry; I was speaking of souls. We have several entities and several afterlives, including, for instance, Hades. There is direct proof and evidence that souls live on past death in some form or another—even if it's torturous. If a soul is a requirement for the afterlife—again, I'm not saying Heaven—and the Fae mantles, in some way or another, eliminate the soul, what happens to it? Does it still exist? Or did Mab (and is she herself) consign at least two daughters and a relative innocent to eventual Oblivion—cessation of existence?
Can, for instance, Aurora's soul, what was left of it, experienced some kind of afterlife? Or was her soul completely consumed, and there was nothing that could move on? And, if it was consumed, what happened to it? It can't be destroyed; it has to be converted in some fashion, assuming that thermodynamics applies. Is it used up as fuel for the Mantle? What happens when it runs out completely?
It's like when Dresden worries about using too much Soulfire and, you know, dying. The Soulfire I can understand, because it's converting soul to energy multiplicatively. My questions are basically if there is a similar function that takes place with the mantles?
All that other stuff aside, even taking the Christian point of view into account—how will Michael, whose whole life is built around Catholicism, react if he finds out about the soul thing? From his perspective, assuming the above suppositions are true, his firstborn will never, no matter what, be able to join him in Paradise.
I'll be over here trying to get the image of a weeping Michael out of my head now.
Mira:
--- Quote ---It can be the thing Bob sees that you can exchange with other humans while hugging them or it can be an abstract thing, the essence of your being as Mother Summer describes it. Becoming evil can be described as loosing your soul because you are no longer the person you were so your essential You-ness is gone but you are still something.
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However does that mean you no longer have a soul? Turning the argument on it's head, an evil person can repent and gain redemption, their "you-ness" has also totally changed.. So did they gain a soul? They indeed had a "You-ness" before, but it was evil... There are dark souls out there as well...
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