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Starborn idea
DonBugen:
Has there ever been any WOJ on what a Starborn actually is, other than having power over Outsiders? All I know is what is in the books, and it's nothing but knowing references from other people.
I have absolutely nothing to counter on this argument, but that's mostly because it seems to be presupposition built on presupposition built on patterns in legend. Its hard to argue for or against hidden lore. Which is not to say that it might not be true; it's a really cool theory that supposes a good deal on ritual and numerology. But I like my WAGs to be a bit more grounded before they become headcanon.
I always thought it odd, by the way, that Elaine had a pentacle amulet just like Harry's. Thomas I could see; it was a gift from their mother. But why Elaine? Did she just really like Harry's and get one at a store? Or does it also signify something deeper?
groinkick:
--- Quote from: DonBugen on September 15, 2017, 07:49:58 PM ---Has there ever been any WOJ on what a Starborn actually is, other than having power over Outsiders? All I know is what is in the books, and it's nothing but knowing references from other people.
I have absolutely nothing to counter on this argument, but that's mostly because it seems to be presupposition built on presupposition built on patterns in legend. Its hard to argue for or against hidden lore. Which is not to say that it might not be true; it's a really cool theory that supposes a good deal on ritual and numerology. But I like my WAGs to be a bit more grounded before they become headcanon.
I always thought it odd, by the way, that Elaine had a pentacle amulet just like Harry's. Thomas I could see; it was a gift from their mother. But why Elaine? Did she just really like Harry's and get one at a store? Or does it also signify something deeper?
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I think Jim said something about when a child is born is important. Said that Elaine may be or could have been Starborn for that reason (don't remember exactly how he said it).
jonas:
--- Quote from: DonBugen on September 15, 2017, 07:49:58 PM ---Has there ever been any WOJ on what a Starborn actually is, other than having power over Outsiders? All I know is what is in the books, and it's nothing but knowing references from other people.
I have absolutely nothing to counter on this argument, but that's mostly because it seems to be presupposition built on presupposition built on patterns in legend. Its hard to argue for or against hidden lore. Which is not to say that it might not be true; it's a really cool theory that supposes a good deal on ritual and numerology. But I like my WAGs to be a bit more grounded before they become headcanon.
I always thought it odd, by the way, that Elaine had a pentacle amulet just like Harry's. Thomas I could see; it was a gift from their mother. But why Elaine? Did she just really like Harry's and get one at a store? Or does it also signify something deeper?
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Theres a woj on Elaine's amulet btw
--- Quote ---In the early books you mention that Elaine has the same pentacle as Harry. Is that significant or have you changed your mind on?
No it's significant. There is a reason for that. Harry and Elaine come from the same philosophical background as far as magic is concerned... Or at least so he believes in any case. I guess we will have to see if Elaine thinks the same way. Who here has read White Knight so far? Yah, Elaine doesn't think exactly the same way as Harry when it comes to the use of magic, but at the same time though they are not exactly on a totally different page either. It's significant that they both have the same symbol. It says something about what they think and what they believe.
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throw this in since your talking about it
--- Quote ---Q: Is Elaine another candidate to wield power over Outsiders (the way Harry supposedly is)?
A: Yes. There’s a reason Justin picked the two of them.
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*there's probably things to support these prepositions and knowing references, I just forget the little details. an the one place i'd stored all my data was kinda destroyed/taken away unfortunately.
wardenferry419:
I like that part about how Elaine does not think about magic in the same way as Harry. Feels like it has meaning.
exartiem:
The five points of the pentagram of magic: earth, wind, fire, water and spirit.
Perhaps to create a starborn, you need all of these to be present in the parents. earth: the mother's father is a farmer, works the earth. water: perhaps Malcolm's dad was a sailor. Fire: she is a wizard and wields the fire of magic. Wind: they are on the run, not bound, blowing free.
Spirit could be where she erred with Papa Raith if she misinterpreted spirit as passion, when it actually means love. It was when she was in love with Malcolm that the final ingredient was achieved.
Just an off-the-top-of-my-head theory.
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