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Starborn idea
groinkick:
The pentagram does have the appearance of how a star would be drawn. Could each point on the pentagram represent a type of requirement for a Starborn to be created? More likely a Starborn is based on some kind of astrology or something, but wanted to see if the pentagram could be part of the equation. It's important to Harry, and I think his mom provided him with the the necklace? I dunno, just a random thought I had.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 14, 2017, 06:23:16 PM ---The pentagram does have the appearance of how a star would be drawn. Could each point on the pentagram represent a type of requirement for a Starborn to be created? More likely a Starborn is based on some kind of astrology or something, but wanted to see if the pentagram could be part of the equation. It's important to Harry, and I think his mom provided him with the the necklace? I dunno, just a random thought I had.
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I'm not aware of any five-pointed star shapes in the classical constellations, but there might be some sort of less direct connection. But if one of the ingredients for a Starborn was a deliberate ritual by / around the pregnant mother during the several months window of the astrological conjunction (we know that component is somewhat broad since both Harry and Elaine meet it despite being a few months different in age), it very likely could have been done in the usual pentagram format.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on September 14, 2017, 06:31:00 PM ---I'm not aware of any five-pointed star shapes in the classical constellations, but there might be some sort of less direct connection. But if one of the ingredients for a Starborn was a deliberate ritual by / around the pregnant mother during the several months window of the astrological conjunction (we know that component is somewhat broad since both Harry and Elaine meet it despite being a few months different in age), it very likely could have been done in the usual pentagram format.
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I was thinking maybe a magical ritual say with 5 people or objects of power, points in time, something like that.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I was thinking maybe a magical ritual say with 5 people or objects of power, points in time, something like that.
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I wouldn't rule that out, Lash told Harry his mother conceived him "a complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstance that would give a child born under them the potential to wield power over Outsiders." So it isn't anything simple, and you also have to add the partner she chose to be Harry's father. Malcolm is important in this as well, knowing and loving him gave her the strength to leave Lord Raith and then to conceive a star child. Perhaps because a mortal born with that kind of power could easily turn into a megalomaniac. Because he inherited Malcolm's disposition, Harry seems protected from that.
jonas:
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 14, 2017, 06:23:16 PM ---The pentagram does have the appearance of how a star would be drawn. Could each point on the pentagram represent a type of requirement for a Starborn to be created? More likely a Starborn is based on some kind of astrology or something, but wanted to see if the pentagram could be part of the equation. It's important to Harry, and I think his mom provided him with the the necklace? I dunno, just a random thought I had.
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The Pentagram, the stars and stones curse, the 5 stars on Lady Nights neck when the sky is devoid of stars in CH and a few other things lead me to believe there are 5 major repeating starborn patterns(Harry vs Thomas is a good example of starborn differentiation). If you par down most pantheons you can find the five major god/ess's. An also possible corralates to the 5 planets(eight astrological) visible from earth with the naked eye as defined by Greek and Roman astrologists. So 5 and 3, just like the number of Holy relics plus nails of the sword. the thing is, each one probably represents at its kernel the whole of a 'star' and that gets broken down piecemeal in reality(except angels, they represent the entirety of one, an absolute without room for change) So if you put them to the current agenda in the Fae, each line of queens/knights is one being, then the kings are 2 beings of their own(each starborn culminates as that kernel, that kernel is the mortal ability to change) and the 5th is probably in the fomor/N archetype starborn.
*the hard thing to explain but which i'm pretty sure we will see some of eventually, is instead of bringing in some identity like a mantle portion, if you die like TWC did you become the identity of the 'star' itself. Which may be why Lasciel has a greek woman as what Harry presumes is close to her true looks, even though angels have existed since they did creation, ergo before actual human mortals. On a lower level Harry did the same thing I think, being both alive and malleable but also the spirit/Mantle of Dresden at the same time.(you wanna be absolute, you gotta get absolutely killed out THEN come back, he just broke the lid on his mortality cup as of yet)
**current line up is Harry, Molly, Murphy, Marcone and.... Ms Beckett perhaps? Or maybe Grey, hard to identify the last one so far. ***oops, I plum forgot about Elaine, #5 is Elaine.
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