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Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Kindler on September 08, 2017, 01:17:54 PM ---There is one big advantage to the Coin, though: Harry could have set it aside afterward. Michael would have saved him, I'm certain of it. It's going to be much harder to get out of being the Winter Knight, at least until next Halloween.

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Except if Michael was right that setting down the coin means forfeiting his magic too, the whole 'wizard PI' concept for the series is going to be down one wizard.

RobReece:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on September 08, 2017, 01:44:03 PM ---Except if Michael was right that setting down the coin means forfeiting his magic too, the whole 'wizard PI' concept for the series is going to be down one wizard.

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I think you're off a bit here.  My understanding of what Michael said was that the only way to walk away from the shadow of Lasciel was to give up his magic, if Harry had accepted the coin and then given it up to the church, then Lasciel would have left and no shadow would have been left behind.  I don't think there would have been any issue with his magic at that point.

Anubissama:
Honestly, the whole argument that Mab is the lesser evil doesn't really make sense to me. Let's compare the two:

Winter Knight
- you only get power, some supernatural strength, and painkiller. All tied to your position of Knight
- you have a constant 24/7 temptation of the instinct that the Mantle awakes in you
- there is literally only one person in the history of mankind that managed to get out of this position alive

Knight of the Blackened Denari
- you get a power boost via Hellfire (and maybe in Dresdens case at this point he could have both Hell and Soulfire) which is directly tied to your position and a Coin holder, you are functional immortal, and you get superb healing no faking via painkillers, but most importantly you get knowledge and magical experience beyond the reach of ANY creature on the planet. This is where the real power boost of the Denari lie, and if you ever leave you get to keep that knowledge.
- the only temptation is intellectual, yes Lash might converse with your subconscious but at the end of the day, those conversations are also based on logic and reason. There is a whole world of difference between being tempted on an instinctual emotional level, and being tempted on a logical Socratic level. IMHO it is much easier to withstand the later than a constant nagging from your urges.
- there is literally a world spanning organisation dedicated to helping you get rid of the coin (and as mentioned if you leave you keep most of the power boost anyway) so your odds of getting out alive are astronomically higher

If you are looking for the best power boost, with the highest chance of retaining yourself, and best odds of surviving and leaving it behind, Denari win out against Mab.

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: RobReece on September 08, 2017, 03:21:22 PM ---I think you're off a bit here.  My understanding of what Michael said was that the only way to walk away from the shadow of Lasciel was to give up his magic, if Harry had accepted the coin and then given it up to the church, then Lasciel would have left and no shadow would have been left behind.  I don't think there would have been any issue with his magic at that point.

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So why didn't he just take it up, reabsorb Lash into Lasciel, and choose to get rid of it immediately? If there were no consequences to fully accepting the coin even briefly, that could have solved his shadow problem at any time.

Arjan:
The goal was not power, power was a means. The goal was getting his daughter free and that means a bargain. It is far better to bargain with Mab who keeps her word than with Nicodemus. We know the worth of his word.

We see in Changes that he got more than just the winter knights power. What he did that day was not something he showed in later books. Mab gave him enough power to succeed because she had promised so.

Another sign is more indirect. Uriel is not against working with Mab, He does so himself sometimes. This might be because Mab serves a higher purpose, I do not think Nicodemus is secretly fighting against the outsiders or something like that.

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