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White Court, Venatori and Kemmler
Froklsnt:
--- Quote from: Con on August 24, 2017, 04:39:03 AM ---Do you think given the theory that the Black Court were created in part from energy from The Outside, that the Archive had a direct hand in ordering Lara and the Ventores to get rid of them?
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We know from the WoJ what the Archive's purpose and strategy is, and that she acts through the Venatores. We only have two examples of the Venatores, Lara and Thomas. Stoker's book is precisely the opposite of their usual M.O., which is very curious since it was Lara who got it published. This would seem contradictory to her role as Venatore, but there's an important distinction here.
The Oblivion War is against entities not on the mortal plane. It is against beings dwelling in the Nevernever (and maybe Outsiders? I don't think we have any info either way). It's purpose is not to combat entities already here, because the 'forgetting' tactic doesn't work. So the BCV simply wasn't within the scope of the Oblivion War.
Lara took the strategy she used as a Venatore and inverted it to combat an enemy on this side of reality. The Archive likely didn't have much to say on the matter one way or another, past maybe a smirk of seeing someone new figuring out that trick.
What makes for interesting thought experiments, as Con is suggesting, is to think through other examples where that tactic has been used in the DV, and test the waters to see if we can spot any other likely Vanatores.
Con:
--- Quote from: Froklsnt on September 22, 2017, 05:26:37 PM ---
Lara took the strategy she used as a Venatore and inverted it to combat an enemy on this side of reality. The Archive likely didn't have much to say on the matter one way or another, past maybe a smirk of seeing someone new figuring out that trick.
What makes for interesting thought experiments, as Con is suggesting, is to think through other examples where that tactic has been used in the DV, and test the waters to see if we can spot any other likely Vanatores.
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Thank You Fro- (seriously?) Froklsnt
I'd also add that Lara just as likely got the idea from Mab fighting the Venatores through her publication of the Grimm Fairy Tales. Which I've been reading by the way, they don't describe many of the Sidhe we've seen, don't even mention Mab. Though there are admittedly a few Toot like sprites that pop up now and again.
But I'll make another seperate topic about my readings of them.
But yes I think the Fomor from their description of 'dark gods' from various pantheons, are that they are defeated gods who the Venatores may have had a hand in their downfall or at least lack of remembrance in humanity.
Froklsnt:
--- Quote from: Con on September 24, 2017, 02:04:14 AM ---Thank You Fro- (seriously?) Froklsnt
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My handle is an old inside joke from a typo, I use it everywhere :P
--- Quote from: Con on September 24, 2017, 02:04:14 AM ---But yes I think the Fomor from their description of 'dark gods' from various pantheons, are that they are defeated gods who the Venatores may have had a hand in their downfall or at least lack of remembrance in humanity.
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I think the Fomor may be non-mortal patrons or adherents to the deities and demons the Oblivion War is being fought against. They may even have knowledge on hand that, in the hands of mortals, could revive an enemy thought defeated by the Archive. They have been living apart from humanity for a loooong time. But, they can't be the actual entities the war is against, because they're here. They're on the mortal plane. The Oblivion War is explicitly about beings who are not in this world, because the tactic of making folks forget you exist only works if you then can't be summoned or invoked. While a being's power can certainly vary with the amount of faith mortals have in them, I don't think they can be "confined to oblivion" if they're already here.
kazimmoinuddin:
I have always thought that the inmates of the well were described similarly to those that comprise the fomor court. I am betting that the few remaining brings of power in the court will end up in the well, no such a loss of power will cripple the court. Being placed in the well would aid in them being forgotten, if their ability to affect the world is limited.
Rasins:
I don't know about them being forgotten in the well. If you're an (effectively) Immortal being and your buddy, also and Immortal is locked up in the well, are you going to forget them?
I'm beginning to think that part of the goal of Peace Talks will be for the Fomor to negotiate the release of some of the inmates.
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