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Small Favor: Why Mab got involved in the first place
Zaphodess:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 23, 2017, 03:06:23 PM ---So you theory at this point is that MAB gave Summer a heads up that she was going to recruit Harry, in order for Harry to feel pressured enough to accept the Job. How and Why would she do so before anyone else had made any moves to do anything? What is her motivation to kick the ant-hill in the first place? I thought you were initially suggesting that it was Maeve?
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Ahem, nope. That's not what I said. I said she was the least likely of a number of possible candidates. I am exploring possibilities here, not proposing one single WAG. ;)
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 23, 2017, 03:06:23 PM ---Not true. SmF stated that they were able to track his Fire Magic (specifically the Fire) becuase he'd melded it with Lily's Fire Spell in PG during that whole Wellspring attack thing. It was why Mad took away his Rod and memory of Fire Magic. His status as Emmisary had nothing to do with their ability to track him, only their ability and/or motivation to actually go after him. That still doesnt the fact that the first event in this whole escapaede was Titania's. Your original theory had that reversed.
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Again, not what I wrote. I was talking about attacking, not their ability to track him.
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 23, 2017, 03:06:23 PM ---She never admits it, or even anything Id call an implied admission; though Harry does jump to the that conclusion and asked her why she did it.
Regardless, you JUST said you thought Maeve was actually behind the Hobs. Which is it, and Why?
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No, I didn't say I thought it was Maeve behind the Hobbs, I said it was Mab. Am I that bad at expressing myself? I was extra careful to use names instead of pronouns ...
Mab never admits to the Hobbs attack, but she didn't deny it either and she answered Harry's question why she did it. It's also made clear in the text that the Hobbs were Mab's creatures. As her reasoning makes sense imo, I have no doubt about it that Mab was indeed behind it.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Zaphodess on August 24, 2017, 10:24:06 AM ---Ahem, nope. That's not what I said. I said she was the least likely of a number of possible candidates. I am exploring possibilities here, not proposing one single WAG. ;)Again, not what I wrote. I was talking about attacking, not their ability to track him.
--- Quote ---No, I didn't say I thought it was Maeve behind the Hobbs, I said it was Mab. Am I that bad at expressing myself? I was extra careful to use names instead of pronouns ...
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You said Maeve was behind the attack at the train station (ie the Hobbs, no?) But then right after that you say that Mab sent the Hobbs in response to the attack at the train station. So I am very confused.
--- Quote ---Mab never admits to the Hobbs attack, but she didn't deny it either and she answered Harry's question why she did it. It's also made clear in the text that the Hobbs were Mab's creatures. As her reasoning makes sense imo, I have no doubt about it that Mab was indeed behind it.
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It made it clear that they were /winter/ creatures, not specifically Mab's as opposed to Maeve or anyone else that can leverage Winter creatures, theoretically up to and including whomever was giving orders to those Winter Spiders in TC.
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Zaphodess:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 24, 2017, 12:09:15 PM ---You said Maeve was behind the attack at the train station (ie the Hobbs, no?) But then right after that you say that Mab sent the Hobbs in response to the attack at the train station. So I am very confused. It made it clear that they were /winter/ creatures, not specifically Mab's as opposed to Maeve or anyone else that can leverage Winter creatures, theoretically up to and including whomever was giving orders to those Winter Spiders in TC.
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Ok, I guess I didn't phrase that one very well. I thought that maybe Maeve had planned something on the train station or at the place Ivy intended to stay. An abduction or something like that. Mab sending the Hobbs could have been a last-ditch attempt to thwart her daughter's scheme.
The reason I think this might be the case is that the Hobbs attack was awfully gauche for Mab's standards. It smacks of desperation and not much time to plan.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Zaphodess on August 24, 2017, 03:10:10 PM ---Ok, I guess I didn't phrase that one very well. I thought that maybe Maeve had planned something on the train station or at the place Ivy intended to stay. An abduction or something like that. Mab sending the Hobbs could have been a last-ditch attempt to thwart her daughter's scheme.
The reason I think this might be the case is that the Hobbs attack was awfully gauche for Mab's standards. It smacks of desperation and not much time to plan.
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Ah, kk, Im with you now.
I dont know, it feels like a simpler explanation that it was Maeve behind the Hobs (ie Awfully Gauche) and was working counter to Mab interests (in general or for something specific we've not seen), who in turn didnt fully explain to Harry because she didnt want dissension in the ranks to be known. This was the novel she first had to start talking through Grimalkin, so she's aware of Maeve's Nemfection.
Kindler:
Maeve may have tried to get Summer to kill Harry early by claiming that he was the emissary; I can see that happening, and it almost worked. It would have, actually, and might've even had the added bonus of killing Molly and Charity during the first attack.
Mab might have then made his emissary status official to prevent Summer from seeing division within Winter. It seems to me that the Fae courts take great pains to posture and appear stronger than they are, especially to one another. If it looks like Maeve and Mab aren't on the same page, then Summer might perceive that as weakness, and strike, which Mab can't afford—her Knight is off the table, so the appearance that her Lady is working against her might be too tempting to pass up. I do think that Mab knows for a fact that Maeve is infected at this point; she's speaking entirely through Cait Sith, for the first time (as far as I recall; I'm finishing my annual reread, and have only hit Proven Guilty), and I've always understood her anger to be because she realized her daughter had been taken and there was no turning back. I figure that she didn't move against Maeve officially because (A) she was her daughter and didn't want to hurt her if possible, and (B) she wanted to project a unified front for as long as she could. She did push for Dresden to accept pretty hard in this one, harder than she had in the past, and may have dropped any pretenses and ordered him to kill Maeve as soon as possible if he had signed up.
In my opinion, Small Favor has almost as many unanswered questions as Proven Guilty because of all this kind of thing.
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