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Bob's Personality, and Justin
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--- Quote from: jonas on August 15, 2017, 07:40:55 PM ---There^. But I actually figured that more due to the fact of Evil Bobs existence. By existing in balance as an actual 'evil'(can't argue he's not evil when that's our accepted term for him) spirit he gives reason to cause a balance in Bob?
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For Bob it's more a Nice vs Mean spectrum :P
--- Quote ---Notice though, Butters didn't change Bob here, Bob changed Butters, By rubbing off bits of Dresden's magic/soul from years of warm hugs?(he is Harry's first friend by early description) Murphy tells Harry "he's been you-ing I suppose." Maybe they grew together, but Butters was influence harder overall. Course being mortal things that influence can lead to natural changes easier than just a continual influence....
--- Quote ---Isn't this why Bob has a pact deal on his earthly domain though? His rent is his knowledge and his pay is...? bits of 'lifeness' for lack of a better term.
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No, his side is just that he gets to stay in the Mortal World, which lets him Learn/grow; "Shelter in exchange for Service."
I dont see how Bob changed Butters in any particular way, aside from granting him Power, which in turn gave Butters a far more important Choice as to how to use that Power.
But Im saying that Butters did in fact Change Bob per usual. Per WOJ he changed a whole lot less than he typically would, purely because Butters had already met the Harry-owned version, so that first impression sharply colored Butter's expectations. So it's far more subtle that Bob v. Kemmler's nero-bob or even presumably Bob v. Justin-bob, but it's still there. There's even a noted shift in color when the shift back happened in CD.
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2015 AMA
Why does Bob have to obey whoever owns his skull? Is it because of the enchantments on the skull, or is it just that all spiritual entities must obey whoever controls their sanctum?
It's the bargain Bob made to be who he is, basically. The skull is essentially his contract--shelter in exchange for service.
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jonas:
--- Quote ---I dont see how Bob changed Butters in any particular way, aside from granting him Power, which in turn gave Butters a far more important Choice as to how to use that Power.
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He'd been moonlighting as Bat-Dresden for a year and a half. He made him more like Dresden. From a frail scared mortician to the guy on the front line. Even from GS to SG the difference is noticeable, it was in GS the 'when I get a lightsaber' comment came up, 3 years/books later with Bob and suddenly He's the calvary for Dresden? Notice specifically from your comment, the power he gave him was knowledge of what Dresden knew and spells he used, he literally enabled him to take on the power of Dresden such as it was. Even his doubt in others(i.e. WK Harry) he got from info supplied by Bob that in effect gave him a trust issue Dresden had already possessed. Harry's Aura of magic transferred to Bob over years of close association during magical use(which is a key point, he was directly exposed to Harry's magic again and again) and genuine feelings via soul hugs and farther rubbed onto Butters over those 3 years.
--- Quote ---No, his side is just that he gets to stay in the Mortal World, which lets him Learn/grow; "Shelter in exchange for Service."
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Can you tell me by what mechanism or mechanic he's allowed to stay while Mirroring his holder? The mirror personality effect proves a connection between them.. The rest gets harder to correlate, But even without it rub off is almost certain just from the aura effect. I'm thinking it's deeper than that though. He's essentially offering advice in good faith for a dwelling here, the exchange rate is comparable to Goodman or Kringle doing good deeds to satisfy the Land Lord. He's keeping himself in the positive energy spectrum, Something Necrobob and his trickery does not do. Could he also be feeding off of their belief to make him what he is? Most probably.
Here's to Hoping Bonnie's existence will lead to closure on most of this. A new SoI is as good a reason to ask questions as a new character is for someone to be asking questions after all :)
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--- Quote from: jonas on August 15, 2017, 09:07:54 PM ---He'd been moonlighting as Bat-Dresden for a year and a half. He made him more like Dresden. From a frail scared mortician to the guy on the front line. Even from GS to SG the difference is noticeable, it was in GS the 'when I get a lightsaber' comment came up, 3 years/books later with Bob and suddenly He's the calvary for Dresden? Notice specifically from your comment, the power he gave him was knowledge of what Dresden knew and spells he used, he literally enabled him to take on the power of Dresden such as it was. Even his doubt in others(i.e. WK Harry) he got from info supplied by Bob that in effect gave him a trust issue Dresden had already possessed. Harry's Aura of magic transferred to Bob over years of close association during magical use(which is a key point, he was directly exposed to Harry's magic again and again) and genuine feelings via soul hugs and farther rubbed onto Butters over those 3 years.
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I get that, the distinction I was trying to make is that Bob didnt change Butters in any fundamental way, all Bob did was give Butters more powerful Tools to use, allowing Butters to choose to be a Hero. Bob changed Butters no more or less than any Friendship might. By contrast, simply interaction and proximity with mortals will Change Bob (capital C) in ways that things like Bob are cosmically incapable of doing on their own (hearkening back to the Free-Will distinction).
--- Quote ---Can you tell me by what mechanism or mechanic he's allowed to stay while Mirroring his holder? The mirror personality effect proves a connection between them.. The rest gets harder to correlate, But even without it rub off is almost certain just from the aura effect. I'm thinking it's deeper than that though. He's essentially offering advice in good faith for a dwelling here, the exchange rate is comparable to Goodman or Kringle doing good deeds to satisfy the Land Lord. He's keeping himself in the positive energy spectrum, Something Necrobob and his trickery does not do. Could he also be feeding off of their belief to make him what he is? Most probably.
Here's to Hoping Bonnie's existence will lead to closure on most of this. A new SoI is as good a reason to ask questions as a new character is for someone to be asking questions after all :)
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The closest thing to a "mechanism" is the WOJ I just posted that said sepcifically it was part of the enchantments on the Skull itself, part of the Bargain he made with Etienne the Enchanter back in medieval France. Presumably then it's not a innate trait of SoI, though given that Bonnie's Skull is most likely based on a similar design, she may have similar forces acting on her.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 15, 2017, 07:40:55 PM ---Notice though, Butters didn't change Bob here, Bob changed Butters, By rubbing off bits of Dresden's magic/soul from years of warm hugs?(he is Harry's first friend by early description) Murphy tells Harry "he's been you-ing I suppose." Maybe they grew together, but Butters was influence harder overall. Course being mortal things that influence can lead to natural changes easier than just a continual influence....
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Since Bob has no soul, there isn't any rubbing off on.
As to Bob's personality being so similar to the Harry version of Bob and the Butter's version, Jim explained that it didn't change that much since Butters first met Bob when Bob was still Harry's. First Impressions and all that.
kazimmoinuddin:
I wonder if the deal bob is bound to could be augemented, that if his own primary sanctum is itself augemented and enhanced.
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