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Bob's Personality, and Justin
jonas:
--- Quote from: Rasins on August 16, 2017, 05:14:47 PM ---Since Bob has no soul, there isn't any rubbing off on.
As to Bob's personality being so similar to the Harry version of Bob and the Butter's version, Jim explained that it didn't change that much since Butters first met Bob when Bob was still Harry's. First Impressions and all that.
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Not true, Bob explains souls rubs off all the time, in warm feeling hugs. Harry describes Bob as his friend, Both of those are deductive premises to lead to a valid inference Bob has been largely effected by Harry. The name thing just gives it a structure to work around. Just like Belief in something is what gives it power vs the name that gives that power form. Then wizards aura's are described in miniature compared to say MW puts out, but is known to have some influence spill over, it's just considered Negligible usually. Years of close contact while Magic is actively worked around the same wizard and utilizing/tinkering with the wizards spells and enchantments him self as he does with both Harry(LC direct proof) and Bob(any SG reference) leads not only to direct contact with their magic but using it himself is a different form of magic than usual for spirits. That lead to a valid inference such things can have heavily influenced Bob.
Your first statement ignores all that seemingly? Of course we'll have to have a whole other thread for is magic, life, soul all essential the same positive energy in different levels of refinement, which I'm cool with stepping into that corner to swing it :) But is otherwise showing valid arguments for a theorem towards influence if not soul itself.
The second part references what we know towards it, but what we know is as always incomplete. Had not Harry actually Met Bob under Justins tutelage? An if not, is he not simply collecting a mask of identity associated with the beliefs of those who have known him just like any diety gaining multiple formative mantles? He up till it's expulsion still had Necrobob But was not known as him. He's gained more than one identity based upon 2 separate groups of people and how they've known/interacted with him. Harry and Co, And Kemmler and Cowls group.
*That's a great way to describe it, he released the 'mantle' of evil Bob he'd had, his alternate identity to become it's own thing.
So still comes back to how similar the energies that make up the various forms of life are, But i'll reference my metaphor of the human body is a distillery of soul into life(which is where we have an issue in my theorum apparently) and life distills into Emotions and feelings which are fuel for magic, are magic itself(which is proven)
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 16, 2017, 09:12:05 PM ---Not true, Bob explains souls rubs off all the time, in warm feeling hugs. Harry describes Bob as his friend, Both of those are deductive premises to lead to a valid inference Bob has been largely effected by Harry. The name thing just gives it a structure to work around. Just like Belief in something is what gives it power vs the name that gives that power form. Then wizards aura's are described in miniature compared to say MW puts out, but is known to have some influence spill over, it's just considered Negligible usually. Years of close contact while Magic is actively worked around the same wizard and utilizing/tinkering with the wizards spells and enchantments him self as he does with both Harry(LC direct proof) and Bob(any SG reference) leads not only to direct contact with their magic but using it himself is a different form of magic than usual for spirits. That lead to a valid inference such things can have heavily influenced Bob.
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I dont think that was what he was saying. Harry (and Souled mortals, etc) can certainly effect Bob, that's established by WOJ. But it's one-way, Bob cannot "rub off" on a mortal in any metaphysical way (though normal social interaction is certainly there).
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 17, 2017, 12:26:35 PM ---I dont think that was what he was saying. Harry (and Souled mortals, etc) can certainly effect Bob, that's established by WOJ. But it's one-way, Bob cannot "rub off" on a mortal in any metaphysical way (though normal social interaction is certainly there).
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But Bob could act as a transference device, a vector if you will, for 'rub off' to spread from wizard to magical deity to new holder. Like being a carrier for disease but incapable of contracting the full blown version yourself.(if we wanna relate it to another thing that lacks soul but contains memories and magic of it's own causing infection/affliction of any sort includes the athema)
Possible citation in how MM Harry has become more Kemmlery in his own skills and subsequent choices? ???
That's two cases of individuals following the path of choices set down before then by a version of Bob. Using knowledge and power they otherwise wouldn't have had without him. Even without the magical rub the effect is still quite sufficient. It's almost like he's an instructional primer on how to, follow the guide in up in an archetype.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Not true, Bob explains souls rubs off all the time, in warm feeling hugs. Harry describes Bob as his friend, Both of those are deductive premises to lead to a valid inference Bob has been largely effected by Harry. The name thing just gives it a structure to work around. Just like Belief in something is what gives it power vs the name that gives that power form. Then wizards aura's are described in miniature compared to say MW puts out, but is known to have some influence spill over, it's just considered Negligible usually. Years of close contact while Magic is actively worked around the same wizard and utilizing/tinkering with the wizards spells and enchantments him self as he does with both Harry(LC direct proof) and Bob(any SG reference) leads not only to direct contact with their magic but using it himself is a different form of magic than usual for spirits. That lead to a valid inference such things can have heavily influenced Bob.
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Bob isn't human so he has no soul... I think you are confusing what Bob said about souls and soul fire because he worried Harry by telling him using soul fire uses up his soul.. He then goes on to say the hugs and stuff renew the soul, that is the human soul.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 17, 2017, 02:06:31 PM ---But Bob could act as a transference device, a vector if you will, for 'rub off' to spread from wizard to magical deity to new holder. Like being a carrier for disease but incapable of contracting the full blown version yourself.(if we wanna relate it to another thing that lacks soul but contains memories and magic of it's own causing infection/affliction of any sort includes the athema)
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I really dont think so, because he simply does not ever get Soul, he cannot carry it can so cannot transfer it (even assuming Soul can go viral like that past the initial transfer).
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