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Bob's Personality, and Justin
Rasins:
I think it's far simpler than what you all have developed here.
When Harry pulled Bob from the ashes of Justin's place, I think he was whole. However, Harry's personality just isn't compatible with that of Kemmler's Bob.
I think this gave Bob the ability to wall off that portion of himself.
This is why Bob was so unwilling to give Harry what he "Knew" about Kemmler, but when ordered to do so, he did. I think the two incompatible personalities were represented by the cloud of random lights vs the ordered sphere.
When Harry told Bob to Never access those memories again, he walled them off again. But when Cowl ordered Bob to give him the information he needed for the DarkHallow, Bob realized that just walling it off wasn't enough. Not long after Harry recovered Bob is when Bob lopped off that portion of himself that became EB.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Rasins on August 15, 2017, 05:29:20 PM ---I think it's far simpler than what you all have developed here.
When Harry pulled Bob from the ashes of Justin's place, I think he was whole. However, Harry's personality just isn't compatible with that of Kemmler's Bob.
I think this gave Bob the ability to wall off that portion of himself.
This is why Bob was so unwilling to give Harry what he "Knew" about Kemmler, but when ordered to do so, he did. I think the two incompatible personalities were represented by the cloud of random lights vs the ordered sphere.
When Harry told Bob to Never access those memories again, he walled them off again. But when Cowl ordered Bob to give him the information he needed for the DarkHallow, Bob realized that just walling it off wasn't enough. Not long after Harry recovered Bob is when Bob lopped off that portion of himself that became EB.
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wow, I actually really like the idea that it was a fundamental incompatibility once Harry got the Skull, it's an oddly graceful mechanism. Not sure I believe it over my pre-existing theory of Justin acting out of self-preservation yet, but I like it none the less.
I have one issue with the overall as described: Bob very clearly makes a distinction between parts Walled Off and parts Cut Off in DB, he said he'd done both prior to Necro-bob being released . That doesnt run afoul of your theory, and it explains the line where he actually said "Because I didn't want to be like that" which is the closest he's ever come to a moral Choice that I can think of. That always stuck out to me, but it makes sense being the sort of inherited morality that he gets from his Owner (ever notice he's more altruistic with Butters?).
Fwiw, it would also imply is that Necro-bob, the uber-loyal kemmlerite part, did not have any similar incompatibility with Justin, fwiw. Do we actually know if Justin got any /use/ out of Bob? Necrobob sure seemed intent on getting back to Kemmler, specifically.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 15, 2017, 05:40:01 PM ---wow, I actually really like the idea that it was a fundamental incompatibility once Harry got the Skull, it's an oddly graceful mechanism. Not sure I believe it over my pre-existing theory of Justin acting out of self-preservation yet, but I like it none the less.
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Thanks. I have my moments.
--- Quote ---I have one issue with the overall as described: Bob very clearly makes a distinction between parts Walled Off and parts Cut Off in DB, he said he'd done both prior to Necro-bob being released . That doesnt run afoul of your theory, and it explains the line where he actually said "Because I didn't want to be like that" which is the closest he's ever come to a moral Choice that I can think of. That always stuck out to me, but it makes sense being the sort of inherited morality that he gets from his Owner (ever notice he's more altruistic with Butters?).
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I always thought this was because Butters actually appreciates Butter's Genius. But it makes sense both ways.
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Fwiw, it would also imply is that Necro-bob, the uber-loyal kemmlerite part, did not have any similar incompatibility with Justin, fwiw. Do we actually know if Justin got any /use/ out of Bob? Necrobob sure seemed intent on getting back to Kemmler, specifically.
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No. All we really have is Harry's memory of him and I don't even recall the story of Harry pulling Bob after the Fire.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Rasins on August 15, 2017, 06:09:00 PM ---
No. All we really have is Harry's memory of him and I don't even recall the story of Harry pulling Bob after the Fire.
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hmmm., I thought I recalled Bob talking about their time together at one point, in the context of him acting as Lab assistant or apprentice trainer or something.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Rasins on August 15, 2017, 05:29:20 PM ---I think it's far simpler than what you all have developed here.
When Harry pulled Bob from the ashes of Justin's place, I think he was whole. However, Harry's personality just isn't compatible with that of Kemmler's Bob.
I think this gave Bob the ability to wall off that portion of himself.
This is why Bob was so unwilling to give Harry what he "Knew" about Kemmler, but when ordered to do so, he did. I think the two incompatible personalities were represented by the cloud of random lights vs the ordered sphere.
When Harry told Bob to Never access those memories again, he walled them off again. But when Cowl ordered Bob to give him the information he needed for the DarkHallow, Bob realized that just walling it off wasn't enough. Not long after Harry recovered Bob is when Bob lopped off that portion of himself that became EB.
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Not bad on theory, but it requires us to buy into a mechanic never presented, incompatibility of personalities. Bob's personality itself didn't change much from when Harry first met him to Butters, He's still very boob oriented. His associated... not personality, that's not the word... belief system changed slightly later on as mentioned
--- Quote from: quantus --- but it makes sense being the sort of inherited morality that he gets from his Owner (ever notice he's more altruistic with Butters?).
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There^. But I actually figured that more due to the fact of Evil Bobs existence. By existing in balance as an actual 'evil'(can't argue he's not evil when that's our accepted term for him) spirit he gives reason to cause a balance in Bob?
Notice though, Butters didn't change Bob here, Bob changed Butters, By rubbing off bits of Dresden's magic/soul from years of warm hugs?(he is Harry's first friend by early description) Murphy tells Harry "he's been you-ing I suppose." Maybe they grew together, but Butters was influence harder overall. Course being mortal things that influence can lead to natural changes easier than just a continual influence....
Isn't this why Bob has a pact deal on his earthly domain though? His rent is his knowledge and his pay is...? bits of 'lifeness' for lack of a better term.
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