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Murphy in Peace Talks (WoJ spoilers)
DonBugen:
I’m not saying that there must be a traitor because of the Ladies’ speech with Dresden in Cold Days. I’m saying it from the Doylist perspective. It would be boring for there not to be anyone with a hidden agenda. People are never what they seem; some to a greater degree than others. And I’m not saying that I think that Karrin is some sort of hidden dark terror; she could be as much of a traitor to Harry as Luccio was under Peabody’s influence. And she is suspicious to me for three reasons – first, because Harry’s never soulgazed her (and thus Harry still avoids eye contact and thus would not notice if suddenly she Changed, triggering a new soulgaze); second, because her actions are completely and totally loyal without reservation; and third, because Harry cares for her arguably more than any other character, other than his daughter. I doubt that Jim can show restraint and not make Harry suffer for that.
Eb makes more sense to be the traitor because it fits the archetypal Hero’s Journey, the death of the mentor – or, the death of the man Harry thought he was – and his story has huge holes. He openly admits that he’s hiding things from Harry, who is strangely OK with this. He organizes a strange shadow organization whose membership Harry is kept ignorant of ‘for his own safety.’ His emotional threats in Changes allude to the fact that he’s done really, REALLY dark things and expects the same from others. And no one (to my knowledge) has ever corroborated on the “Blackstaff is a White Council role” story that Eb feeds Harry when Kincaid outs him. If Harry didn’t have his crazy hatred of Kincaid and his hero-worship of Eb, he’d probably hear the other side of the story. But he doesn’t. Suspicious.
But this is a thread about Karrin and Peace Talks, and here I go again touting my tinfoil hat on off-topic stuff. I have a feeling that Karrin will get into the thick of things in Peace Talks, and not from the sidelines. Being a main force in the BFS, I could possibly see her using her connections to get involved as a vassal of one of the signatories of the accords: Baron Marcone. Crazier things have happened.
I predict that if Karrin takes an aggressive, dangerous stance in Peace Talks despite her handicap, then she’s probably going to die before the BAT. Maybe Mirror Murphy will replace her. That’d be interesting.
On the other hand, if she plays it cautiously or has a minor role – maybe with Harry and Maggie, or giving support a la Turn Coat – I suspect that she’s likely influenced by something and will be a traitor or plant.
Mr. Death:
I think there's plenty of other exciting plot threads and events happening in the series that it's not by any stretch "boring" without adding a traitor subplot that, frankly, just plain doesn't fit with the character.
It'd be like making Captain America a Hydra agent all along.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on August 15, 2017, 07:05:50 PM ---It'd be like making Captain America a Hydra agent all along.
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jonas:
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That's some wicked shit man...
DonBugen:
But Jim has left clues that someone’s going to suddenly surprise us with more power than they ought to have. Not just because of the existence of Nemesis, but also because of the suspicious disappearance of Thorned Namshiel’s coin. Someone took it, and it’s a thread that’s been left unresolved to this day.
A long recurring theme in DF is that ill-gotten power is immensely satisfying and ultimately corrupts. It’s not just seen from the villains, like the hexenwulfen or Slate or Grevaine or Cowl or Sells or Lea or Maeve. It’s also a constant internal for the protagonists. Harry deals with fighting the dark parts of his soul. Molly, too, fights the pull of black magic. Susan had to undergo intense training in order to control the horrible urges that her ‘condition’ gave her, and ultimately gave in. Thomas’ existence is defined by it, and he even gives in after being forced to indulge to survive by the Skinwalker.
Maybe it would be out of character for Captain America to suddenly turn, but Murph is no Captain America. She’s already made a lot of very questionable choices, and is in the position of trying to grab every straw she can in order to protect Chicago, her main driving goal. She’s already made the wrong choice for the right reasons at least twice since Harry’s return, and she isn’t the same person she was back in Changes. I’m afraid for her. I don’t think she has the same fortitude of will right now to be able to withstand temptation the way that Dresden did with the coin, and she’s extremely vulnerable.
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