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Murphy in Peace Talks (WoJ spoilers)
DonBugen:
I don't remember anything about librarians, and I thought I've seen all of Jim's Q&As and read all his short stories, aside from the Butters and the Wild West ones. I haven't read the stories in the DFRPG and hadn't read any of the graphic novels other than the first, so maybe that's where the reference is?
magnuskn:
--- Quote from: Rasins on August 11, 2017, 08:32:34 PM ---Just to be clear, if she goes Valkyrie, she's then a chooser of the dead and she's likely out of the story doing her job elsewhere in the world.
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That seems unlikely, since Odin is BFF's with Harry.
lynde4:
I don't see Murphy coming back if she dies. That she might have a place in Valhalla or in some way in the magical afterlife, yes, but if she dies I don't think she'll be coming back. But then, I'm not writing the series and Jim can and will do what he deems best. He hasn't let me down so far so I don't think I'll be disappointed.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 11, 2017, 05:12:26 AM --- This ^ I believe you've hit on the most important point, and I totally agree. Back in Proven Guilty when Harry asked her and she refused, though he was a wizard and her points for refusal that you went over were valid, it may still have worked for the very fact that Harry was very much an ordinary Joe.. He isn't any longer, Murphy understood the Harry of Proven Guilty, she no longer understands him. Murphy got the power/wizard aspect of Harry, but he still loved Coke and a Burger King, he was just a decent ordinary guy.. Basically he still is that decent guy, but Harry is the Winter Knight, Warden of Demonreach, a Warden of the White Council, a star child, custodian of the Holy Swords and now keeper of relics of vast power, he can never be the Harry she knew before Changes again.
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I've been rereading the earlier books, and there's definitely a different 'feel' to the Harry/Karrin relationship back then. The idea of Harry and Karrin getting together feels totally believable, totally plausible, it feels like a natural development...when I reread Summer Knight, or Death Masks.
I think that period was the natural time window for an H/K romance. That time window runs through...oh, at least through Proven Guilty, maybe through White Night, but it was starting to close by then. Things were changing, Harry was changing, Karrin was changing, and their world was changing.
Back in that period, Harry was basically a magically-augmented P.I., and Karrin was a cop. Their world, or primary zone of action, was the city of Chicago. (In some ways, I still miss that.)
Things have changed since then.
Mira:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on August 13, 2017, 04:22:09 AM ---I've been rereading the earlier books, and there's definitely a different 'feel' to the Harry/Karrin relationship back then. The idea of Harry and Karrin getting together feels totally believable, totally plausible, it feels like a natural development...when I reread Summer Knight, or Death Masks.
I think that period was the natural time window for an H/K romance. That time window runs through...oh, at least through Proven Guilty, maybe through White Night, but it was starting to close by then. Things were changing, Harry was changing, Karrin was changing, and their world was changing.
Back in that period, Harry was basically a magically-augmented P.I., and Karrin was a cop. Their world, or primary zone of action, was the city of Chicago. (In some ways, I still miss that.)
Things have changed since then.
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I miss the Harry of the old days as well, the wizard/P.I. is what drew me to the Dresden Files in the first place it wasn't the ordinary run of the mill fantasy. However he has moved on to a new stage and I, as a reader am ready for him to move on as well. I think that's why I find his interactions with Murphy in the books post Changes increasingly annoying. Murphy wants that old Harry back, and he isn't ever going to come back. She should understand that, she has seen and taken part in enough of Harry's world, but somehow she doesn't. I think the contrast between Harry's conversations with her verses his conversations with Michael in Skin Game says it all. Michael accepts the changes both in Harry and in his life, and he also trusts who Harry is in his core being. Murphy doesn't, that is at the crux of it I think, she plays lip service to trusting him, but her actions/words say different.. I don't think she realizes it yet though, she means well, but all her concern for Harry not being the way he used to be only put an almost unbearable amount of self doubt in Harry. That is not good, not for Harry given his tasks ahead. For me that is what is annoying these days about their relationship, her observations and advice for Harry is all based on how his life used to be.. It is kind of like a parent of an adult kid who cannot accept that kid is grown and living a different life now, I believe the phrase is, "You never used to act this way...."
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