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Denarians and White Council
ebliss1:
What have we seen in the books that would have stirred the White Council to action toward the Knight of the Blackened Denarius? The Denarians generally seem to plan and execute their own individual agendas, with some occasionally grouping together (Like Nic, Deirdre, Tessa, etc). The one time we saw them go after humanity in any sort of direct way (Nic's Shroud plague), a WC wizard stopped them before it could get started. No need for official WC intervention there. When the Denarians went after The Archive, a WC Warden took action to recover the Accords Signatory (Ivy). Again, no direct WC action required.
The WC does not get all worked up over matters of fair play, free will, championing the little guy, etc. Their laws are just there to be enforced upon themselves and any plain-vanilla mortals who dabble in the magical arts. If the WC attempted to get involved in the Denarians using human Hosts, they'd have to go on the warpath against all Accords groups who prey on humans in any way (BC and WC for food, Denarians for Hosts, etc). If they attempt to dispute a Denarian Host's use of magic (like Thorned Namshiel), the Fallen in the Coin could rightly say "my use and knowledge of magic predates your species' existence, so you have no jurisdiction over me or my Host".
So unless the Denarians take direct action against the White Council, I really don't see these two bodies coming into direct conflict.
Mr. Death:
I imagine if the White Council ever did see reason to take on the Denarians in a massed, official way, they would at best regard them as warlocks who are too far gone to save.
At worst (for the Denarians, anyway), they'd probably look at them as monsters so they can put them down with magic instead of having to hold back.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: ebliss1 on July 31, 2017, 06:59:07 PM ---So unless the Denarians take direct action against the White Council, I really don't see these two bodies coming into direct conflict.
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Also, Tessa's opening pitch to Harry in SmF was rooted in offering him pretty good terms to avoid an incident with the Council. Harry figured she was lying, but most wizards would be pretty happy to take that deal - and she might have actually meant it with some random with less of a reputation for obstinacy.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 28, 2017, 05:13:39 PM ---Even before the buildup, the Wardens outnumbered them almost 7-1, and the Denarians are almost never one coherent unit. If the White Council really, seriously decided the Denarians had to go, they'd probably be able to do it, and they'd have a much better chance of securing allies than the Denarians.
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IMO, it wouldn't even be really a war. In Small Favor, Harry describes Tessa as Council-level in a way that implies the other magic-using Denarians aren't. And a lot of the Denarians are just thugs, really terrifying to a mortal but not that much more impressive than the average Rampire. The only ones who I think would pose a real threat to halfway experienced Wardens, assuming equal numbers and barring situational factors heavily favoring the Denarian, are Thorned Namshiel, Tessa, Ursiel (depending on host), and Nic (who's a bit of a special case - assault rifle bullets impair him temporarily, and good evocations are way more destructive than that, so IMO Warden could defend themselves quite well, but they couldn't permanently kill him - unless they knew his weakness, which Harry does, so if he was fighting on the WC's side...)
EDIT: And that's assuming Eb didn't intervene with Blackstaff-stuff.
I still wonder, once the WC was officially at war with the Rampires and thus they were fair game under the Accords, Eb didn't drop satellites/chunks of asteroid/earthquakes/etc on every Rampire stronghold? Being able to throw around Tunguska Events just seems too overwhelming - I don't see what anyone short of god/cosmic level powers could do to defend against it.
Anubissama:
--- Quote from: vultur on August 02, 2017, 06:09:47 AM ---I still wonder, once the WC was officially at war with the Rampires and thus they were fair game under the Accords, Eb didn't drop satellites/chunks of asteroid/earthquakes/etc on every Rampire stronghold? Being able to throw around Tunguska Events just seems too overwhelming - I don't see what anyone short of god/cosmic level powers could do to defend against it.
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Because the Blackstaff doesn't officially exist, so his actions need to be framed in a way that gives the Council political deniability and coverage. Yes, every organisation has a wet works man, but most of them don't admit it since by definition it is a person who is there to break rules and agreements so having his existence be official would make your deals and agreements less valuable.
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