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Denarians and White Council
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 28, 2017, 04:59:09 PM ---Well, I'm thinking a couple of things. First is that the Denarians are/were signatories to the Unseelie Accords and as a group could not be lightly touched by the Wouncil.
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While they were members of the accords, it would have been a literal act of war to go after them for violating the Laws. I'd chalk it up to mostly not being worth pissing Mab off.
Besides which, the fallen is going to take control if the host starts acting erratically on too large a scale. Allowing a cooperating host like Tessa or Rosanna a few indulgences is one thing, but the Fallen have a purpose and they expect their hosts to mostly stick to acting on it.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on July 28, 2017, 09:15:22 PM ---While they were members of the accords, it would have been a literal act of war to go after them for violating the Laws. I'd chalk it up to mostly not being worth pissing Mab off.
Besides which, the fallen is going to take control if the host starts acting erratically on too large a scale. Allowing a cooperating host like Tessa or Rosanna a few indulgences is one thing, but the Fallen have a purpose and they expect their hosts to mostly stick to acting on it.
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One wonders how much of Nicodemus' boasting about being the dominant player and the Fallen following his lead is sheer self-deception. Anduriel may be laughing his shadowy ass off whenever he hears Nicodemus go into that rant.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 30, 2017, 03:56:12 AM ---One wonders how much of Nicodemus' boasting about being the dominant player and the Fallen following his lead is sheer self-deception. Anduriel may be laughing his shadowy ass off whenever he hears Nicodemus go into that rant.
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My sense is Anduriel is probably OK with Nicodemus calling shots over the other 29, because they're an exceptionally tight team in terms of overall purpose, and a badass host helps his standing among not uniformly trustworthy company. (Side note, I wonder whether Anduriel is the de facto head Denarian because he has a long-lived badass host who's been around since the beginning, or because his eavesdropping is that powerful? If Nic bought it, would Anduriel still be at the top of the heap as soon as he got a new host, or would another one move up?)
But the very act of Falling requires a certain psychology. If he's unwilling to follow orders from TWG himself, there's no way he's willing to the led by a mere mortal.
jonas:
--- Quote ---Side note, I wonder whether Anduriel is the de facto head Denarian because he has a long-lived badass host who's been around since the beginning, or because his eavesdropping is that powerful?
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Everybody seems willing to follow a man/fallen with a plan. I'd bet Andurial's always been that Fallen, and has a tendency to influence his hosts in that direction I bet. Info being what he's best at it's what he has the most power in to offer. Huh.. Nic just became littlefinger in my mind ;D the goatee, the short stature, it all works rofl.
dspringer1:
I think you guys are confusing two separate things
1) The laws of magic apply to humans --- I do not think the White Council considers Denarians Human - at least while they are holding the coin. Example - harry killed several with magic and no worries.
2) The accords apply to supernatural nations. the White Council has shown little interest in trying to enforce rules on other supernatural creatures so long as they leave White council members alone and do not rock the boat too badly. The White Council has been in any number of wars with other supernatural nations. The Accords does not prohibit this -- it just sets some rules to minimize the disruption that these wars cause to others non-combatants and minimizes the "total war" ethos of the combatants.
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