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jamescagney22:
So throughout the books evocation is said to be quick and dirty magic, like fire, lightning, and other classical elements. But there has been other forms of magic like the Fomor using Shadows, DuMorne conjuring eels, Denarians and necromancers summoning snakes and spiders that aren't elemental. Are these forms of magic actually in line with the elements, or is evocation more broader then I think it is?

Quantus:

--- Quote from: jamescagney22 on July 27, 2017, 11:01:04 PM ---So throughout the books evocation is said to be quick and dirty magic, like fire, lightning, and other classical elements. But there has been other forms of magic like the Fomor using Shadows, DuMorne conjuring eels, Denarians and necromancers summoning snakes and spiders that aren't elemental. Are these forms of magic actually in line with the elements, or is evocation more broader then I think it is?

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Evocation is broader than just the elements, which I think have more to do with Harry's own 5-point magic school/philosophy than anything (kind of like his Blue playdough=defense thing).  As I understand it, magic is generally either Evocation, which is overt and quick and line-of-sight, but includes illusions and conjurations and even arguably some of the necromancy we've seen.  The other half is Thaumaturgy, which at it's core will always have the Small-to-large focus connection, regardless of it's other effects. 

Mr. Death:
A lot of those guys are also using sponsored magics, like Hellfire. One of the things sponsored magic allows you to do is cast spells that would normally be Thaumaturgy in effect, but with the speed and methods of evocation, so long as the spell is in line with the sponsor.

Binder's summoning, for instance, is much faster than summoning via thaumaturgy, which is likely because he has made some kind of explicit deal with the grey men that lets him summon them so fast.

Rasins:

--- Quote from: Quantus on July 28, 2017, 01:15:41 PM ---Evocation is broader than just the elements, which I think have more to do with Harry's own 5-point magic school/philosophy than anything (kind of like his Blue playdough=defense thing).  As I understand it, magic is generally either Evocation, which is overt and quick and line-of-sight, but includes illusions and conjurations and even arguably some of the necromancy we've seen.  The other half is Thaumaturgy, which at it's core will always have the Small-to-large focus connection, regardless of it's other effects.

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Q,

Which category do things like Potions, or the Crystal shield Molly used in SmF all into?

Phariah:

--- Quote from: Rasins on July 28, 2017, 04:53:28 PM ---Q,

Which category do things like Potions, or the Crystal shield Molly used in SmF all into?

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I would think they would not be a school of magic like evoc/ thaum.  I would say that they were skills like Harry talks about when mentioning the sashes some wizards wear during one of the wizard meetings. Alchemy/ artificing/ runes/ medicine/ ect.....

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