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Anubissama:
They are Thaum. It is magic build up over a long time imbued in items via ritual.

Mr. Death:

--- Quote from: Anubissama on July 29, 2017, 01:40:29 PM ---They are Thaum. It is magic build up over a long time imbued in items via ritual.

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Yeah, those are just enchanted items like Harry's rings or duster.

Potions are potions, which is a subset of crafting in thaumaturgy.

jamescagney22:
Just a few more questions regarding elemental magic.
1. Does the color of magic have anything to do with its effect, blue fire means its more intense, green fire more acidic properties, etc, or is it all up to the user? In Ghost Story Justin DuMorne had both blue and normal colored fire and I wasn't sure if that was significant or not.
2. Does wind have any sub speciality? For Earth it seems to be Gravity and Magnetism, water, Entropy and Energy Manipulation, fire, temperature control, but I have not seen any examples of any special use of air magic.

Quantus:

--- Quote from: Anubissama on July 29, 2017, 01:40:29 PM ---They are Thaum. It is magic build up over a long time imbued in items via ritual.

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I wouldnt call that the qualification for thaumaturgy at all, or for that matter assume that all Rituals are thaumaturgy.  The key identifying factor for me is the symbolic link of Thaumaturgy, the voodoo doll element. 


--- Quote from: Phariah on July 29, 2017, 12:00:08 PM ---I would think they would not be a school of magic like evoc/ thaum.  I would say that they were skills like Harry talks about when mentioning the sashes some wizards wear during one of the wizard meetings. Alchemy/ artificing/ runes/ medicine/ ect.....

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The crystal Id assume is some brand of evocation given that it's a charged object releasing energy directly and in a localized area.  But it's always possible it was built on sympathetic/symbolic principles using the crystal's structure itself as the focus/doll for the barrier. 

Potions Im less sure on, but my best guess is to call it thaumaturgy on the idea that the combination of mundane objects are acting as symbolic stand-in's, as is the case with Thaumaturgy. 

Mr. Death:

--- Quote from: Quantus on July 31, 2017, 02:52:05 PM ---I wouldnt call that the qualification for thaumaturgy at all, or for that matter assume that all Rituals are thaumaturgy.  The key identifying factor for me is the symbolic link of Thaumaturgy, the voodoo doll element. 
The crystal Id assume is some brand of evocation given that it's a charged object releasing energy directly and in a localized area.  But it's always possible it was built on sympathetic/symbolic principles using the crystal's structure itself as the focus/doll for the barrier. 

Potions Im less sure on, but my best guess is to call it thaumaturgy on the idea that the combination of mundane objects are acting as symbolic stand-in's, as is the case with Thaumaturgy.

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Rituals are thaumaturgy. Evocation is moving energy on the fly, while thaumaturgy is taking your time and directing it in a ritual. It's not just about the symbolic link.

As the RPG lays out the differences:

--- Quote ---In evocation, you summon up your power,
envision the result you desire, and attempt
to control the energy on the fly. Because the
construct is made up only from the caster’s will
and the elements are held solely as concepts in
the caster’s mind, evocation can achieve only
simple effects, with a very good chance of something
going wrong.

By contrast, thaumaturgy sets up the
construct physically and allows the elements
to act as a lens through which the wizard then
focuses his power. Because the spellcaster
doesn’t have to concentrate to keep the construct
in mind (it’s right there in front of him), he
creates a much stronger and more stable effect—
meaning he can focus on achieving effects of
much greater complexity and subtlety. He can
also direct power into the spell gradually, making
it far less likely that something will go awry.
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So the difference is not just that thaumaturgy needs a symbolic link (and not all types of thaumaturgy do -- crafting, psychomancy and biomancy are all subsets of thaumaturgy that don't have necessary symbolic links because you're working directly on the subject). The difference is the time and the nature of the constructs involved.

Evocation: Simple, instant energy movement.
Thaumaturgy: Complex, lengthy constructed spells.

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