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Many Questions on Proven Guilty
dspringer1:
--- Quote ---Molly was most likely the target of the so-called Black Council. Sandra Marling met her long before PG. She could have recognized her potential as a wizard and that her family connection placed her very well to act against the Knights of the Cross. The Knights are a target the BC acts against, it wasn't a complete coincidence that Michael was there in Grave Peril. Imagine Molly as an undiscovered warlock with her psychomancy fully developed on the side of the BC (Nemfected, maybe with a Coin). There lies the apocalypse.
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Plausible and well thought out. Does not feel right to me. The knights are not about stopping outsiders, although they obviously can. If you are right, this could be a side plot of the outsiders to distract the knights at the point where they want to finish the council. Does not explain why the fetches were there though - and without the fetches the plot you described would not work.
--- Quote ---Mab and the Gatekeeper work more closely together than we knew at the time. I think they had the same information and maybe even decided together to share it with Harry, thus getting him on the playing field. The BC was up to something at that con in Chicago and it involved Black Magic. Nothing specific. Mab didn't know it was Molly at first or she could have done something more directly. Or get the GK to act, he is WC after all. Neither did she have plans to recruit her as a possible Winter Lady at that time. She didn't even know then that she would need one. And dragging her to Arctis Tor might have get her killed or her sanity ripped off her. Mab's first order of business was removing the prize from the hands of the BC, once she determined it was her (or Harry determined for her, he was the one who sent the Fetches right to the source of the black magic). Turning her into an asset instead in the long term by letting Harry take care of her: cherry on the top.
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So the gatekeeper created the situation by hinting to Mab she investigate -- and Mab's investigation had the side effect of creating the situation. Maybe. But then you have all these high level players getting involved into something that is only important because all these high level players get involved. It is a somewhat circular argument.
Do not get me wrong. It may well be that there was some important reason for all these people to get involved, but all I am arguing is that nothing in the book identifies that reason. All we got now is "important people are involved".
--- Quote ---As to who fixed Little Chicago: I think it was the Gatekeeper. It would make sense for him to check on Harry, making sure he wasn't in on it either. He didn't fully trust Harry. His decision to send him the note might have been a test. If he observed him, he could have checked his apartment and lab for signs of suspicious activities. Little Chicago would have been interesting to him from a purely nerdy pov and he might have decided to not let Harry die from a stupid accident before he found out what was up with the young man.
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As good an answer as anyone can provide. Too little info here for me (at least) to have an informed opinion other than to exclude obvious "not" candidates
Zaphodess:
--- Quote from: dspringer1 on July 26, 2017, 02:35:56 PM ---So the gatekeeper created the situation by hinting to Mab she investigate -- and Mab's investigation had the side effect of creating the situation. Maybe. But then you have all these high level players getting involved into something that is only important because all these high level players get involved. It is a somewhat circular argument.
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Na, neither of them created the situation. The situation was created by the BC. They reacted to it. That's something else entirely.
Look at where Mab is standing at the beginning of PG: Arctis Tor was attacked. She was able to defend it, but it cost her. She identified some of the attackers, but probably not all of them. But she knew two things: Hellfire was being used (i. e. Denarians) and there might be a traitor in her ranks, because the enemy did get entirely too close. The additional info about Nemfection from Cold Days suggests another fear of her: Nemfection in Summer or Winter.
She doesn't know who exactly is on the enemy team, but she has some leads. Because she isn't stupid, she investigates before acting further. Hence the lockdown between Summer and Winter she imposed. No blind rushing into action when your enemy wants you to rush into action.
WAG: One of her leads shows a completely unrelated instance of random black magic in the vicinity of a situation she is observing anyway.
Completely unrelated isn't something she blindly believes in. That's why she sent the Fetches (spies as well as assassins). To investigate and if the opportunity presented itself, eliminate.
At the end of PG, she has gained knowledge (and gotten rid of some enemy chess pieces like Glau). The objective of the enemy's plot was discovered and their weapon (Molly) turned neutral and quite likely into a future asset: not as future Winter Lady (yet), but as a powerful wizard fighting for her team if she needed it.
Would Mab really care about Molly or Michael (or the White Council)? Of course not. Not personally. But she cares about power plays and the Knights of the Cross (and the WC) are the enemy of her enemy. At least at that moment. And it's also generally a good idea to prevent your enemy from getting what they put a lot of effort into achieving. As a matter of principle.
dspringer1:
I get it now. You see the attack on Arctus Tor preceding the arrival of the fetch. Mab sent the fetch to investigate afterwards and the events in the con are just collateral damage. Could be.
Lets diagram the events to see if this makes sense
* Mab makes it a point of arranging beacons on the mortal world for when she needs to send her spies to that world.
* Sandra Marling is one of those agents - which is why she organizes horror cons. Sandra arranged for "darby" to be there just in case she needs a spike in fear, but she realizes Molly is a mage and can perform this function as well. So she gives Molly the idea to use fear when she gets the word a strong beacon is needed.
* Then when Arctus Tor is attacked (perhaps to make sure Winter does not interfere in the planned attack on the white council, Mab uses this contingency and sends her fetches through to find out information.
* Fetches feed by their nature -- an unavoidable consequence of sending powerful fetches into a horror con. Mab obviously did not prohibit this behavior -- and not clear she could (under winter law) force a creature act outside its nature with strong cause
* Fetches realize this path is going to be plugged and take Molly back home with them as a psychic snack.
* Maybe a little nudge here or there from Uriel or gatekeeper to make sure Molly is involved and taken to Arctus Tor.
Is this correct?
If yes, questions
* Why did Mab not destroy the attackers. She is VERY powerful and could certainly call in as many winter allies as needed. No way a few Denarians and wizards could challenge her at Arctus Tor and survive.
* Why wait days without a response at Arctus Tor while the events proceeded at Earth. Yes she is collecting info, but why not summon new/stronger guards
* Why the erratic behavior of Mab overall in this space. Not her anger - her behavior that looks like madness
Rasins:
I have to say that I'm still unconvinced that Thorned Namsial is the one who was throwing around hell-fire at AT.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 27, 2017, 07:43:06 PM ---I have to say that I'm still unconvinced that Thorned Namsial is the one who was throwing around hell-fire at AT.
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Very unconvinced here too.
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