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Many Questions on Proven Guilty
Zaphodess:
--- Quote from: dspringer1 on July 27, 2017, 03:55:21 PM ---I get it now. You see the attack on Arctus Tor preceding the arrival of the fetch. Mab sent the fetch to investigate afterwards and the events in the con are just collateral damage. Could be.
Lets diagram the events to see if this makes sense
* Mab makes it a point of arranging beacons on the mortal world for when she needs to send her spies to that world.
* Sandra Marling is one of those agents - which is why she organizes horror cons. Sandra arranged for "darby" to be there just in case she needs a spike in fear, but she realizes Molly is a mage and can perform this function as well. So she gives Molly the idea to use fear when she gets the word a strong beacon is needed.
* Then when Arctus Tor is attacked (perhaps to make sure Winter does not interfere in the planned attack on the white council, Mab uses this contingency and sends her fetches through to find out information.
* Fetches feed by their nature -- an unavoidable consequence of sending powerful fetches into a horror con. Mab obviously did not prohibit this behavior -- and not clear she could (under winter law) force a creature act outside its nature with strong cause
* Fetches realize this path is going to be plugged and take Molly back home with them as a psychic snack.
* Maybe a little nudge here or there from Uriel or gatekeeper to make sure Molly is involved and taken to Arctus Tor.
Is this correct?
If yes, questions
* Why did Mab not destroy the attackers. She is VERY powerful and could certainly call in as many winter allies as needed. No way a few Denarians and wizards could challenge her at Arctus Tor and survive.
* Why wait days without a response at Arctus Tor while the events proceeded at Earth. Yes she is collecting info, but why not summon new/stronger guards
* Why the erratic behavior of Mab overall in this space. Not her anger - her behavior that looks like madness
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Not quite the way I see it. You're assuming Mab is behind Molly's problems. And behind Sandra Marling. I'm assuming her enemies are, the BC. The cluebats in the book are
* the Hellfire being used at Arctis Tor. This isn't just something dropped in there for later use.
* Sandra Marling possible connection to Mavra (the shelter)
* a Knight of the Cross' daughter being corrupted by Sandra Marling
* the Gatekeeper helping in mysterious waysThey establish the teams. Mab is working against whoever tried to use Molly as a weapon (against the Knights among other things). The GK too. They are helping Harry or rather using him. Molly is ideally placed to cause a lot of damage if she became full warlock on the BC side. Even if the WC caught her and executed her, it would be useful. Imagine Michael's reaction if he found out they beheaded Molly. There would be dead wizards lying in that warehouse, among them maybe the Merlin and Morgan.
The Fetches didn't execute Glau because he was a loose end on their side. That's Harry's assumption then. They killed him as soon as they found out he was BC.
Mab didn't wait to get Molly out of their reach. She did it as soon as she found out.
knnn:
It's getting a little dated now (over 6 years old, and before we ever heard about Nemesis), but worth a read:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,26853.0.html
Elegast wrote an update post-Nemesis here:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35451.0.html
Zaphodess:
--- Quote from: knnn on July 28, 2017, 02:47:26 PM ---It's getting a little dated now (over 6 years old, and before we ever heard about Nemesis), but worth a read:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,26853.0.html
Elegast wrote an update post-Nemesis here:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35451.0.html
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Oldies but goodies, in other words classics. :)
These threads got me into thinking more about Molly's potential as the center-piece of the action in PG.
For example, why did Maeve help in the rescuing mission when she was Nemfected at the time? Imo, that's where Harry is spot-on when he said to Eb at the end that they'd tried to use Mab and Mab had turned the tables on them. Molly was supposed to be a promising chess-piece for the BC. They protected her from being found by the Fetches (the black murk, Sandra Marling getting her off the scene by getting Harry to confront the police holding her there). But Mab found her (with Harry's help). She was lost to the BC at that point. Best use would be to make her death relevant. So they helped with the rescue, hoping that they'd saw some conflict between the WC, Winter, the KotC, whatever played out best in the spur of the moment really. And preferably with some key players dead in the end. But Mab gambled and trusted in Harry's ability to see Molly through without a further escalation. And it paid off.
jonas:
--- Quote ---Mab didn't wait to get Molly out of their reach. She did it as soon as she found out.
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What the fetches? they were always there to fetch her for a queen of winter.
*rereading, I realized that was your intent. Good point on Glau though.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 28, 2017, 06:38:14 PM ---What the fetches? they were always there to fetch her for a queen of winter.
*rereading, I realized that was your intent. Good point on Glau though.
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Jonas - I don't think so. I don't know that Mab knew yet what Molly's purpose was going to be, let alone a queen. But we do know that Mab eventually thought that Molly would be a better fit in Summer.
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