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The most frightening Denarian yet?
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 07, 2017, 12:40:20 PM ---Agreed on all, but can you point me to the source on that bit? I dont recall any specific instance of a Wampire causing tech-bane effects, though it makes sense.
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In Backup, Thomas screws up his cell phone momentarily whenever he throws a spell. (Yes, Thomas wields magic, though not at a high level. He wields some basic, useful spells. I would not be shocked at all, though, to learn that if he trained and practiced, he has Wizard-level potential. He is the son of Margaret McCoy, after all...)
jonas:
--- Quote ---Which I take to mean that the Genoska is a kind of human, like the White Court.
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And red court vampires? They live here, they possess freedom of will. They may be under the yoke of a different sort of hunger but they leave real flesh and blood corpses and are in possession of choices. Doth that make them human Too? ??? Me thinks your blanketing too much with 'human' that's not.
*to cut off any arguments against that fact. The Red King, progenitor of all their kind slowly devolved into less and less control over his hunger. that kind of continual change and need for the royalty to keep themselves in check proves they aren't set in stone. They can always fight the hunger, if they don't then they become blood slaves without a will of their own.
Zaphodess:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 10, 2017, 06:10:59 AM --- And red court vampires? They live here, they possess freedom of will. They may be under the yoke of a different sort of hunger but they leave real flesh and blood corpses and are in possession of choices. Doth that make them human Too? ??? Me thinks your blanketing too much with 'human' that's not.
*to cut off any arguments against that fact. The Red King, progenitor of all their kind slowly devolved into less and less control over his hunger. that kind of continual change and need for the royalty to keep themselves in check proves they aren't set in stone. They can always fight the hunger, if they don't then they become blood slaves without a will of their own.
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Did they really possess free will. The scene in Changes, where the Red King summoned all of them to him because Harry scratched out his eyes suggests otherwise.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 10, 2017, 06:10:59 AM --- And red court vampires? They live here, they possess freedom of will. They may be under the yoke of a different sort of hunger but they leave real flesh and blood corpses and are in possession of choices. Doth that make them human Too? ??? Me thinks your blanketing too much with 'human' that's not.
*to cut off any arguments against that fact. The Red King, progenitor of all their kind slowly devolved into less and less control over his hunger. that kind of continual change and need for the royalty to keep themselves in check proves they aren't set in stone. They can always fight the hunger, if they don't then they become blood slaves without a will of their own.
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This description is true for half-turned Red Court Vampires, but not the greesy bat-creature they turn into once they Choose to Feed; at that point they have no Soul (by the Soulgaze litmus test) and thus no Free Will.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 10, 2017, 11:52:11 AM ---This description is true for half-turned Red Court Vampires, but not the greesy bat-creature they turn into once they Choose to Feed; at that point they have no Soul (by the Soulgaze litmus test) and thus no Free Will.
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Define the ability to choose to resist the hunger vs blood slave then? What your saying there amounts to, they're more bat than human. Purely by what you said, Susan wouldn't have had anything left to choose from after one feeding. Maybe you got the 'in line with what's shown to the viewer from perspective', but is it really what's shown canonically? You want talk about soul gazes and people who do or don't have one, Harry avoids hades for fear of one, despite the many claims Mab would have no soul(certainly she is all Sidhe) but at the same time Harry as never met her eye's, and again has intentionally looked away when she challenged him to do so. The Reds and their hypno eyes more imply whatever they have is wolf to our deer, we get caught in the headlights. So it doesn't always get a cut and dry answer.
But, lets bring it back around to how the nobles of the court had to continue to fight the hunger not to devolve into mindless beings, because you can throw out counter points all day, if you can't address these specific discontinuities your not really addressing my issues here. That's not really an animal, that's certainly not set in stone behavior. fyi, the Whites prove you can become something else or something more and not stop being mortal. Why did the court have to be whipped out obliquely by Dresden even though the KotC sponsers had genuine beef with them? Free will issues.
--- Quote ---Did they really possess free will. The scene in Changes, where the Red King summoned all of them to him because Harry scratched out his eyes suggests otherwise.
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How so? Because he has a bigger will and a direct access to the core of their being? and yet his daughter plots to overthrow him... don't mistake a compulsion for a lack of will. You can do pretty much the same thing and worse to any human with the right connects.
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