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The most frightening Denarian yet?
vultur:
--- Quote from: forumghost on August 02, 2017, 08:54:28 AM ---WoJ places Papa Raith at "a couple thousand".
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Ah, ok, hadn't seen that one.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Rasins on August 02, 2017, 07:34:23 PM ---IIRC ... Pappa Raith doesn't look any older than Thomas, when Harry meets him at the front door of Rraith manor.
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In general, though, people who meet Thomas, LR, and Lara do usually recognize their kinship, but also recognize that Lara is the older sister, and that LR is the father. So it's not that they don't age at all, clearly they do, at least a little.
Which fits the idea that the WCourt are basically human beings with Something Else added. We know they have souls, because they can be soulgazed. Harry has soulgazed Thomas and Ramirez has soulgazed Lara. We know they are capable of genuine Love and that they have what amounts to mortal free will, or at least their free will is only partly compromised by their nature. We know from Mab that they are qualified to serve as Summer/Winter Knight. We know they can use magic, and when they do, it generates a tech bane.
So it's pretty clear that White Court Vampires are basically a kind of human.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on August 05, 2017, 04:13:06 AM ---In general, though, people who meet Thomas, LR, and Lara do usually recognize their kinship, but also recognize that Lara is the older sister, and that LR is the father. So it's not that they don't age at all, clearly they do, at least a little.
Which fits the idea that the WCourt are basically human beings with Something Else added. We know they have souls, because they can be soulgazed. Harry has soulgazed Thomas and Ramirez has soulgazed Lara. We know they are capable of genuine Love and that they have what amounts to mortal free will, or at least their free will is only partly compromised by their nature. We know from Mab that they are qualified to serve as Summer/Winter Knight. We know they can use magic, and when they do, it generates a tech bane.
So it's pretty clear that White Court Vampires are basically a kind of human.
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Agreed on all, but can you point me to the source on that bit? I dont recall any specific instance of a Wampire causing tech-bane effects, though it makes sense.
jonas:
--- Quote ---So it's pretty clear that White Court Vampires are basically a kind of human.
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Mortal, not human necessarily just because they can breed with us. (science is just now proving Homo Sapiens actually breed with a lot of other hominids early on btw) The Genoska wasn't human but could use a coin, something ascribed to those of mortal free will.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 09, 2017, 07:54:35 PM ---Mortal, not human necessarily just because they can breed with us. (science is just now proving Homo Sapiens actually breed with a lot of other hominids early on btw) The Genoska wasn't human but could use a coin, something ascribed to those of mortal free will.
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Which I take to mean that the Genoska is a kind of human, like the White Court.
Don't read too much into the idea of H. sapiens breeding with other hominids, there's rather less there than meets the eye. Whether the Neandertals, the Denisovans, etc. should even be counted as other species is a matter of semantics, and our knowledge of the Denisovans is so scant that even declaring that they aren't H. sapiens is mostly a matter of terminology.
The entire hominid 'fossil tree' is so freaking scant that it's almost meaningless to say much about it. A lot of the elaborate specific classifications are built on very, very thin foundations of actual data. Some fossils that are classified as different species probably aren't, some that are called the same species probably aren't.
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