The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
What is a Saint? (Series Spoilers)
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 08, 2017, 06:25:17 PM ---Ya, but people REAALLLLY want to know if Justin is Dead, like Really DED-dead, you know, as it "Ded-DEAD" dead-dead. That's important too, right? :P
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Or how Jim got into writing the Dresden Files... I mean the story is great but it's explained in I think every one of these things. Don't they watch youtube? The story is told over and over and over again.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 08, 2017, 06:26:58 PM ---Or how Jim got into writing the Dresden Files... I mean the story is great but it's explained in I think every one of these things. Don't they watch youtube? The story is told over and over and over again.
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To be fair, I myself have an irrational aversion to youtube and so rarely look at anything on it; Im being a grumpy old man on this with no conscious reason behind it, and Ive come to accept that. So I cant get too mad at fans that havent done all the background research before they meet him in a Q&A. It's a little easier here, where we have the WOJ section to get up to speed, but even here we love to regularly beat dead equines 8)
RobReece:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 08, 2017, 06:12:07 PM ---This could work, lets chase that.
When first introduced it was mentioned that "Michael didn't come down into the lab with me because the whole concept of using magic without the Almighty behind it didn't sit well with him, regardless of what we'd been through together". I always thought this was an indication that Michael was entirely familiar with a farm of magic that /was/ more religious (as distinct from Harry views). Now, when Michael prays to God it's always characterized as being the very simple, humble and direct sort of Prayer, just asking for help without a lot of ostentatious trappings. And sometimes when he prays like that spectacular things happen. But other times he shouts Latin battle-cries and such to get the effects. I submit that when he is using Latin phrases to channel power, he is casting a spell using magic words as mental insulation as per usual; it's likely at least as unconscious a process as the Alpha's transformation has supposedly become, but I think it's still Magic (Not sure if it's Life Energy or Faith Energy, or some blending). By contrast I propose that those times he's prayed in the more simple way in English for a result we are seeing something qualitatively different, arguably the sort of "divine intervention" miracles that Saints are supposed to be able to request from on-high. Thoughts?
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Now here I would disagree with you, I don't think Michael ever "uses magic" or casts a spell. There are times when his prayers are more dramatic and flashy and times when he's quiet and humble, but I think it's all based on his Faith that TWG is using him as a tool and the response, whatever shape that response comes in, is coming from on high.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 08, 2017, 06:33:54 PM ---To be fair, I myself have an irrational aversion to youtube and so rarely look at anything on it; Im being a grumpy old man on this with no conscious reason behind it, and Ive come to accept that. So I cant get too mad at fans that havent done all the background research before they meet him in a Q&A. It's a little easier here, where we have the WOJ section to get up to speed, but even here we love to regularly beat dead equines 8)
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I guess but as someone who likes new information to see like 25% or more of his time dedicated to stuff he's asked every time it gets annoying. He's never around my neck of the woods so I can't ask them myself.
Mira:
--- Quote from: RobReece on June 08, 2017, 06:34:47 PM ---Now here I would disagree with you, I don't think Michael ever "uses magic" or casts a spell. There are times when his prayers are more dramatic and flashy and times when he's quiet and humble, but I think it's all based on his Faith that TWG is using him as a tool and the response, whatever shape that response comes in, is coming from on high.
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No, he doesn't, ever... Nor would he ever call such a thing magic, as far as he is concerned he is merely an instrument of the Almighty... As, by the way, any good saint would say..
As to the curse about the Loop, I imagine that St. Patric would say that it was merely punishment dealt out by the Almighty through him, he, himself had no such power..
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