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What is a Saint? (Series Spoilers)
Mira:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on June 07, 2017, 08:46:17 PM ---For the sake of simplification, let's say that there are saints, and there are Saints. Little s saints can be awesome people without power. Big S Saints have significant power, and are what we're discussing.
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But then one has to define what "significant" power means... Do you mean they can throw their weight around supernaturally? Lots of wizards and Fae can do that, but that doesn't make them saints... Do you mean they have influence over a soul because of their goodness? There are several candidates in the books, Father Forthill, Michael, Shiro, Malcolm Dresden, but they all fall under the heading of what you are calling little saints... I would also argue that their power was and is significant.. Shiro was on stage for only a few pages of one of the earlier books, yet his influence is still felt... Except for a couple of dream/vision sequences we've never met Malcolm Dresden, yet the power of his soul managed to save a soul and still influences his son, Harry... Michael is a Knight of the Cross, but he'd be the first to tell you he has no real power of any kind, he is just an ordinary man.. His simple ability to listen and moral compass makes Harry want to be a better man least he disappoint Michael's impression of him.. Likewise Father Forthill, simple priest, yet he'd stand up to anything to try and save some kids...
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 08, 2017, 05:55:53 AM --- But then one has to define what "significant" power means... Do you mean they can throw their weight around supernaturally? Lots of wizards and Fae can do that, but that doesn't make them saints...
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A Saint would probably be defined by what kind of weight they were throwing around. Wizards and Warlocks are both mortal spell casters but the type of magic they use defines them. A Saint may be like that. Similar but different because the type of power they utilize makes them stand apart. Chances are good it's also who they are allied to. Wizards generally are recognized as members of the White Council, and you have the White Court, Red Court, Winter, Summer ect... A Saint probably is allied with some sort of Holy organization. Chances are good that they report to TWG, or an Angel, or maybe are the backup to Knight's of The Cross when things get really really bad which is why Saints are in the Dresdenverse but appear to be extremely rare.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on June 07, 2017, 08:46:17 PM ---For the sake of simplification, let's say that there are saints, and there are Saints. Little s saints can be awesome people without power. Big S Saints have significant power, and are what we're discussing.
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No. Please dear lord NO. We are not starting another one of the little letter/Big Letter distinctions. d/Dragons are already one of the most cumbersome topics because of that nomenclature, there's a constant need to clarify with "Little-d dragon" or "Capital D Dragon" (especially for folks like me that chronically capitalize for no damn reason, like the hands are possessed... ).
I propose the following terms. These are (technically) the actual steps to canonizations, so the idea was to use them as closely to their RL intents, on the basis that in the TDF the original metaphysical truth of things would have evolved into the current public form.
Venerated: Recognized by the church as a Saint (in modern time could mean no actual power or knowledge of the supernatural).
Beatified: One that has some form of Divine/Faith Power, but is not fully a Saint. [specific distinction TBD]
Dictionary.com = 2 [Roman Catholic Church] to declare (a deceased person) to be among the blessed and thus entitled to specific religious honor.
Sainted: TBD
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 08, 2017, 12:32:25 PM ---
No. Please dear lord NO. We are not starting another one of the little letter/Big Letter distinctions. d/Dragons are already one of the most cumbersome topics because of that nomenclature, there's a constant need to clarify with "Little-d dragon" or "Capital D Dragon" (especially for folks like me that chronically capitalize for no damn reason, like the hands are possessed... ).
I propose the following terms. These are (technically) the actual steps to canonizations, so the idea was to use them as closely to their RL intents, on the basis that in the TDF the original metaphysical truth of things would have evolved into the current public form.
Venerated: Recognized by the church as a Saint (in modern time could mean no actual power or knowledge of the supernatural).
Beatified: One that has some form of Divine/Faith Power, but is not fully a Saint. [specific distinction TBD]
Dictionary.com = 2 [Roman Catholic Church] to declare (a deceased person) to be among the blessed and thus entitled to specific religious honor.
Sainted: TBD
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So we'll have beautified and Beautified, venerated and Venerated, and sainted, Sainted, and Val Kilmer.
*Note that I'm not opposed to also having val kilmer for his later work.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on June 08, 2017, 12:44:37 PM ---So we'll have beautified and Beautified, venerated and Venerated, and sainted, Sainted, and Val Kilmer.
*Note that I'm not opposed to also having val kilmer for his later work.
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I would hate you, but for the well-place Val Kilmer reference.
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