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On Nemesis and Why it can't / doesn't infect Humans
peregrine:
Except that there's also a very specific quote talking about the dangers of having wizards turned by the Reds. Maybe I'm thinking of the fact that they'd be privy to all the secrets and passwords and stuff of the White Council, but I was thinking the danger was also about the access to mortal magic.
Anubissama:
There is an unspoken agreement between Wardens not to get captured alive by the Reds because once you are turned into a Red Court Vampire you lose your loyalty to the White Council (if it is just the fact that you turn in to a soulless monster or if there is some Sire-bond going on and the Red that turns you forces you to switch loyalties isn't specifically explained) and you will betray all the secrets you know.
As for magical abilities, it is also said directly that you retain them, but you get the vampiric/necromantic equivalent of it (Dresden describes the power source of Vampire magic as that similar to necromantic energies, un-life magic, where's mortal magic is based on life energy).
If before you turned you could throw a lightning bolt with mortal magic, now you can throw a lightning bolt with necrotic magic. The effect is the same but on a metaphysical level it is like changing polarities and your magic does no longer count as mortal human magic, which is why the Outsiders showing up is such a big deal because it proves there are non-turned human Wizards supporting the Reds.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Anubissama on June 04, 2017, 09:56:34 AM ---There is an unspoken agreement between Wardens not to get captured alive by the Reds because once you are turned into a Red Court Vampire you lose your loyalty to the White Council (if it is just the fact that you turn in to a soulless monster or if there is some Sire-bond going on and the Red that turns you forces you to switch loyalties isn't specifically explained) and you will betray all the secrets you know.
As for magical abilities, it is also said directly that you retain them, but you get the vampiric/necromantic equivalent of it (Dresden describes the power source of Vampire magic as that similar to necromantic energies, un-life magic, where's mortal magic is based on life energy).
If before you turned you could throw a lightning bolt with mortal magic, now you can throw a lightning bolt with necrotic magic. The effect is the same but on a metaphysical level it is like changing polarities and your magic does no longer count as mortal human magic, which is why the Outsiders showing up is such a big deal because it proves there are non-turned human Wizards supporting the Reds.
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Of course with what we know now, I suspect a half-vampire like Martin would count as mortal-enough, and probably there would a magician or two among the servants of the literally damned Court.
ClintACK:
--- Quote from: Avernite on June 04, 2017, 10:10:39 PM ---Of course with what we know now, I suspect a half-vampire like Martin would count as mortal-enough, and probably there would a magician or two among the servants of the literally damned Court.
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Good point. And they'd have a long, long life to study magic.
prince lotore:
I believe that nemesis doesnt affect humans because it cant hurt them. What it does is remove all obligations from the fey. without those obligations the fey so far have gone insane. good bad or indifferent the fey only act because of their obligations to what ever group they are with. with that removed they completely loose it.
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