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Quantus:

--- Quote from: Rasins on May 31, 2017, 07:43:41 PM ---I think the bottom line is that Nemesis is not dependent on mortal belief to exist or gain power.  It's power is from OUTSIDE, and therefore the Oblivion war would have no effect on it.

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Agreed.  If Mortal memory were the only thing that kept them in Reality, then the secret war at The Outer Gates would make a lot less sense; I would think all that Power would be better spent waging the Oblivion War itself, and since it would then be fought by non-mortal Spirits, the obstacle of extreme information control that hampers the Ventators would go away. 

Cozarkian:
Is this possible?:

The targets of the Oblivion War are Old Ones that are inside Reality (mostly in Demonreach). Once erased from mortal memory they disappear from Reality and are forced Outside. The Outsiders, therefore, are the victims of the Oblivion War trying to get back in.

kazimmoinuddin:
What if nemesis is something that was once human, but went through some kind of Ascension ritual. Similar to the dark hollow, but instead of based in necromancy, it was based on outsiders or magical corruption. So it is not a being reaching in acting as a bridge, it is a bring reaching out acting as a bridge.

Quantus:

--- Quote from: kazimmoinuddin on June 01, 2017, 01:41:03 AM ---What if nemesis is something that was once human, but went through some kind of Ascension ritual. Similar to the dark hollow, but instead of based in necromancy, it was based on outsiders or magical corruption. So it is not a being reaching in acting as a bridge, it is a bring reaching out acting as a bridge.

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Sounds like my current theory for Dracula and the formation of the Black Court Drakul.  For that matter, sounds like my current theory for Drakul, just in reverse.

If Nemesis had an Origin as a "Really Real Mortal from the Real World" I kind of think it would all be over by now, as they'd have had the power to directly Summon all kinds of Outsider buddies. If it went down that way, what we see now is the result of the less preferred Plan B, where they failed in a more straightforward Invasion and have settled for a more drawn out chess-game.  The only thing counter to the idea that I can think of would be the Gatekeeper's role that seem pretty specific to keeping Nemesis from sneaking in; but maybe he's just on the lookout for more /like/ Nemesis, for contemporary 'sappers'

Mira:

--- Quote from: Quantus on June 01, 2017, 12:13:41 PM ---Sounds like my current theory for Dracula and the formation of the Black Court Drakul.  For that matter, sounds like my current theory for Drakul, just in reverse.

If Nemesis had an Origin as a "Really Real Mortal from the Real World" I kind of think it would all be over by now, as they'd have had the power to directly Summon all kinds of Outsider buddies. If it went down that way, what we see now is the result of the less preferred Plan B, where they failed in a more straightforward Invasion and have settled for a more drawn out chess-game.  The only thing counter to the idea that I can think of would be the Gatekeeper's role that seem pretty specific to keeping Nemesis from sneaking in; but maybe he's just on the lookout for more /like/ Nemesis, for contemporary 'sappers'

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I think of Nemesis more of like biological warfare,  it is more of an infection working from with in it's victims, directed I think from a master mind elsewhere, otherwise known as "the Adversary".  That is why it is so difficult to detect, there are no symptoms until it is too late.  It was detected in Lea, because apparently she understood the symptoms in time as did Mab and she was treated..  In Maeve's case her behavior was already outside of the norm so it wasn't recognized until it was too late.  In the case of Aurora, like some cancers it was pretty much asymptomatic until it was too late and the enemy almost succeeded.   The Adversary also uses the troops of Winter like Typhoid Marys, carrying the infection, Nemesis, though not showing symptoms themselves,  to it's targets, that is why Rashid and his big honking eye so vital, examining all the troops as they return..

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