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Nemesis is different
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 10, 2017, 08:01:58 PM ---I wonder though, if someone was to start a belief and somehow made it flourish, that there was a being that could totally wipe out Outsiders, if that being were to attempt it, the Outsiders would just "invent" another opponent that could withstand this new outsider-bane.
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This. Jim is creating something that COULD be believed and bring it into existence in the never-never.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 11, 2017, 05:08:42 PM ---This. Jim is creating something that COULD be believed and bring it into existence in the never-never.
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--- Quote from: Rasins on July 11, 2017, 05:08:42 PM ---This. Jim is creating something that COULD be believed and bring it into existence in the never-never.
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Im still really confused, it looks like you're using your own assumption as the justification for that very assumption?
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 11, 2017, 03:16:20 PM ---
--- Quote ---I don't know ...
Jim is doing a pretty good job of it now.
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?
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I was answering your question. I thought you were asking for clarification on my statement [below]
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 10, 2017, 08:01:58 PM ---I wonder though, if someone was to start a belief and somehow made it flourish, that there was a being that could totally wipe out Outsiders, if that being were to attempt it, the Outsiders would just "invent" another opponent that could withstand this new outsider-bane.
Kind of like the idea that a super-hero has to have a super-villain to fight against. Otherwise there is no need for them, really.
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Quantus:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 12, 2017, 07:53:19 PM ---?
I was answering your question. I thought you were asking for clarification on my statement [below]
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I was, the clarification just didnt clarify. As far as I could tell You proposed that it could be possible in-world for them to Create a being out of nothing but popular belief that was Powerful enough to defeat All the Outsiders, All on it's Own. I replied by saying it was an interesting line of thought, but that I thought that the Power Level you were describing was so absolutely Enormous that I didnt think it could just come from Nowhere. You replied with "Jim's Doing it" without explaining why/how you thought that was the case, then posted your initial theory as your clarification of that same exact Theory. Repetition is not Elaboration :P
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 12, 2017, 08:22:57 PM ---I was, the clarification just didnt clarify. As far as I could tell You proposed that it could be possible in-world for them to Create a being out of nothing but popular belief that was Powerful enough to defeat All the Outsiders, All on it's Own. I replied by saying it was an interesting line of thought, but that I thought that the Power Level you were describing was so absolutely Enormous that I didnt think it could just come from Nowhere. You replied with "Jim's Doing it" without explaining why/how you thought that was the case, then posted your initial theory as your clarification of that same exact Theory. Repetition is not Elaboration :P
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Ah ...
Where I'm coming from is this ...
Odin does not exist. I'll grant you that people believe he exists, but he doesn't. If for no other purposes than this discussion let's agree that Odin does not exist.
But LOTS of people BELIEVE he does. Because of this, somewhere out in the never-never Odin DOES exist. That being the case, then Odin does have the powers assigned to him.
Now, Belief in Odin started a LONG time ago. To get the kind of metaphysical oomph needed to BE Odin, it would take a LOT of belief.
What I'm saying is that Jim's stories could be like those early tales of the All-Father. Over time, his stories will pass into myth and legend, but the Belief that his stories bring could create something "out there", and because of the belief, it WILL have the power to defeat the Outsiders.
To give another example, there is an anime of Naratu (?), or was it Goku?
Anyway, supposedly this being can "unmake" anything. Anything at all.
Now if there was enough belief in this being, it would become in the never-never and eventually actually have the power to unmake ANYTHING, including outsiders.
ls that any better?
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