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Has anyone put Nic's plan togther?

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Rasins:
What if Nick's plan all along was to prevent Mab from turning over the defense of the Outer Gates to someone else?

Gotta remember that Nick was around 1,000 years ago when, by some theorists, Winter took over the Defense of the Gates.

What if Nick sees the writing on the wall, so to speak, and would rather keep Mab in place as the defender?

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on July 04, 2017, 03:22:57 PM ---I'm sure Anduriel wouldn't like his host getting that powerful, true - but I don't think someone without inherent use of magic could do enough necromancy to work the Darkhallow, either.

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That might cover Nick personally but not some of the other denarians.

And I think there is another reason. The fallen in the coin can effectively filter and or distort the information received by the host. Harry's words to Hannah seemed to be affected that way.

--- Quote ---Anduriel might manipulate him about tactics-level decisions for expediency and to shape an even more corrupted host (like 'kill your daughter for the sake of the mission') but I don't think it follows that Nic is duped about the broad cause they're working toward.

I think from Nic and Deirdre's dialogues, the general outline of their thinking is pretty much analogous to how Cowl rationalized pursuing the Darkhallow (presumably because Kumori was within earshot) - the established order is so fragile SOMEBODY is going to succeed in overturning it, so it might as well be the less bad option. I think the Denarians who willingly cooperate with their Fallen believe Hell's apocalypse stands the best chance of averting the even worse Outsider version, so they're gathering power for that cause. The Archive's functions in coordinating the Oblivion War could easily have been adapted to tracking down Outsider cultists for assassination, and Hades was quite open about confirming the artifacts were weapons.

The plague plot in DM might even have been connected somehow - perhaps culling back the mortal population would have hurt their rivals (fewer summoners for Outsiders, less food for the Red Court, fewer practitioners for the Fomor to kidnap for their plans) in addition to the vague description that the Denarians get stronger by spreading suffering.

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The fallen are deceivers, I do not think Nicodemus is really in control of anything now unless Anduriel lets him. He might have had some grandiose scheme and Anduriel offered his help but by now everything he does is because it fits in Anduriels nature and goals.

Zaphodess:

--- Quote from: Arjan on July 07, 2017, 03:06:16 AM ---The fallen are deceivers, I do not think Nicodemus is really in control of anything now unless Anduriel lets him. He might have had some grandiose scheme and Anduriel offered his help but by now everything he does is because it fits in Anduriels nature and goals.

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A while ago there was a debate about the possibility that Nicodemus is Nemfected and that Anduriel now wants to get rid of him.

Quantus:
::Puts on Tinfoil Helmet::

Nic expects to become a Saint.  But this just means Favored of the Current Management of Heaven, and I think he wants to engineer a Change in Management. The current management is being stupid, it's risking all of Reality to preserve this silly thing called Free Will, a trinket some Creator gave to the Mortals.  Said Free Will is a Danger to all Reality, as it is the literal Key that allows Outsiders (beings not from the Universe and so Not bound by it's Rules) in, at which point they want to destroy everything.  Idiotic risk.  So he's more or less set out to do the very thing that Titania exists to prevent Mab from doing. 

Rasins:
Q - What it he's NOT working for a change in management.

What if he and Anduriel are actually working on being redeemed, but figure that they have to DO something really HUGE to be thought worthy?

We know Anduriel was cast into Hell, maybe he's convinced that just saying he was sorry isn't enough, but now that he's back in the mortal realm, he has a chance to get back.

That would be a twist.

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