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Has anyone put Nic's plan togther?

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Quantus:

--- Quote from: Rasins on July 11, 2017, 03:49:14 PM ---Q - What it he's NOT working for a change in management.

What if he and Anduriel are actually working on being redeemed, but figure that they have to DO something really HUGE to be thought worthy?

We know Anduriel was cast into Hell, maybe he's convinced that just saying he was sorry isn't enough, but now that he's back in the mortal realm, he has a chance to get back.

That would be a twist.

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I kind of think that was specifically addressed in the events of SG.  They (or maybe just Nic?) were offered that option by Uber-Michael at one point and seemed to very specifically Choose (Capital C) otherwise.  Not to mention if that brand of Redemption were his goal, the Nose-flick was particularly ill-advised... :P

Rasins:

--- Quote from: Quantus on July 11, 2017, 04:55:26 PM ---I kind of think that was specifically addressed in the events of SG.  They (or maybe just Nic?) were offered that option by Uber-Michael at one point and seemed to very specifically Choose (Capital C) otherwise.  Not to mention if that brand of Redemption were his goal, the Nose-flick was particularly ill-advised... :P

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No, the Denarians, not the fallen were offered redemption.  I think Nick AND Anduriel want redemption.

Zaphodess:

--- Quote from: Quantus on July 11, 2017, 02:14:15 PM ---Nic expects to become a Saint.  But this just means Favored of the Current Management of Heaven, and I think he wants to engineer a Change in Management. The current management is being stupid, it's risking all of Reality to preserve this silly thing called Free Will, a trinket some Creator gave to the Mortals.  Said Free Will is a Danger to all Reality, as it is the literal Key that allows Outsiders (beings not from the Universe and so Not bound by it's Rules) in, at which point they want to destroy everything.  Idiotic risk.  So he's more or less set out to do the very thing that Titania exists to prevent Mab from doing.

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This. Nic really believes that TWG is the ultimate evil. Deirdre did too and she was certainly shaped by him. I mean she sacrificed herself. That's huge.

I still think that Nic might also be Nemfected by now. From the Outsider pov, he has a point. That makes him an enemy and a juicy target.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Zaphodess on July 12, 2017, 08:38:13 AM ---This. Nic really believes that TWG is the ultimate evil. Deirdre did too and she was certainly shaped by him. I mean she sacrificed herself. That's huge.

I still think that Nic might also be Nemfected by now. From the Outsider pov, he has a point. That makes him an enemy and a juicy target.

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No need for infection, he is under the power of one of the Fallen, if he rejects the partnership now there will be great consequences to him, possibly a fate not unlike the mortals who were half vamp with the Red Court died.  Nic is over 2,000 years old, he'd turn to dust among other things..

Bergi:
So my really wild guess about Nic:

Nicodemus was a very powerful wizard, when TWC was walking on earth. One day he kills a strange being which loses a coin, which he picks up. He gains a shadow and then tries to get rid of it. This leads him to meet TWC and become friends with him like Harry and Michael.


During their travels he learns about a powerful spell using 5 items from a dying man. Later he uses the spell, sacrifices his best friend and saves the day. But he is devastated. He wants to hang himself, he hears his neck snap and opens his eyes to find a smiling Uriel standing in front of him.


Uriel tells him that it is not his time yet. The spell he learned must be preserved and the knowlegde may never be spread to more than one person. Because the Archive exists it can never be written down so it can only be passed oral. The second problem is Anduriel who know the ritual too. Coins just hidden somewhere just reappear so Nicodemus has to keep the coin and serve as a human seal for him. To not  lose his sanity Nic is no longer able to use magic [Note: Harry fell under Lashs influence when he was flinging around large chunks of magic].

The noose is a curse for Nic and not the people around him. He cannot find his final peace and the spell is powered by killing one person a year in a cruel way. Nicodemus is furious and if he has to live forever until he can pass on the spell and die, he can at least fight those who did this to him.

Note about Anduriel: The shadow is created by using the small amount of magic the shadow inhabits in Nicodemus head.

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