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When Winter took over at the Outer Gates [Spoilers all, including the DFARPG]
vultur:
IMO the 'somebody who had lost power' who created the Sidhe 'for a reason' are the Greco-Roman gods, and the splitting of Hecate's Mantle was the means.
If the previous guardians were the Norse, it might have been Aesir vs Vanir rather than Jotuns vs Aesir.
I'd further speculate that the current Mother Winter was the original Hecate, and that while she holds a Fae Mantle she isn't actually a Fae "by species" - which is why she can have iron teeth without being burned. (According to Bob in "Welcome to the Jungle", she'd have originally been a Hecatean Hag.)
Con:
I think we're forgetting that their used to be more than just two courts of Seelie and Unseelie,
--- Quote from: Ghost Story Chapter 17 p198 ---Before the Sidhe Wars"
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Even before my time, but I've heard all kinds of stories. The Daoine Sidhe, the Tuatha, the Fomor, the Tylwyth Teg, the Shen. Epic alliances, epic betrayals, epic battles, epic weddings, epic sex
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So Presumably the Sidhe were amalgamated under the Winter and Summer Courts and the Wyld Fae their purpose was that of preserving the natural world, (both from and for humans), it makes sense that once the human pantheons started loosing power, that the people who protect the natural world would protect it from Outsiders.
I'm curious about what the Sidhe Wars were and how they relate. I really hope that one day Jim does a History of Magic Bathilda Bagshot style.
Ennys:
Don't forget this scene from Cold Days
(click to show/hide)Mother Summer’s smile appeared for a moment, dazzling me, and then was gone again. “It was not an imbecilic guess,” she said. “And, yes, she has been known by such names before. But you’ve only guessed the name of one of her masks—not our most powerful name.”
To an extent this implies that there were not separate courts, but one court that was intentionally divided, for which I believe there is a WOJ (for the Knight mantles, but probably still applicable).
Also, one of Mother Winter's mantles is definitely the Baba Yaga, who does have iron teeth. And also 2 sisters in some versions. If you look at Vadderung and the things he can/cannot do in each mantle, it is possible that Mother Winter can only wear the iron teeth when she is using that mantle in particular.
Warden John Marcone:
--- Quote from: Ennys on January 06, 2017, 04:56:12 PM ---Also, one of Mother Winter's mantles is definitely the Baba Yaga, who does have iron teeth. And also 2 sisters in some versions. If you look at Vadderung and the things he can/cannot do in each mantle, it is possible that Mother Winter can only wear the iron teeth when she is using that mantle in particular.
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Which brings me back to my question: if Mab is Mother Winter's actual daughter (as said my Mama Summer in SK), who's the poor dumb sop that got it on with Baba Yaga?
Anyway, I love the Pendragon Cycle from Stephen Lawhead, and he incorporates the Sidhe and Atlantis into Arthur's story, fascinating read. He also talks about (it's been a couple years, I need to go back and reread) like six or seven tribes of the Sidhe, but we've only seen Summer and Winter, plus associated Wyld. Where did they all go? If this theory is close, maybe the Sidhe Wars took place just before the changing of the guard? Sort of like a Battle Royal to see who's tough enough to take over?
--- Quote from: CloakedDestiny on December 23, 2016, 07:05:00 AM ---You know, I never actually made that connection. Reuel is basically Tolkien in the Dresdenverse (although the actual Tolkien may be a different guy). Uriel specifically leaves a LOTR book out for Dresden in SmF. If Reuel is actually Tolkien...well, I don't know where to go with that but it's really neat.
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WoJ is that Reuel is not JRR Tolkien, he was named for him.
Fascinating theory, Serack.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Warden John Marcone on January 07, 2017, 04:05:24 AM ---Which brings me back to my question: if Mab is Mother Winter's actual daughter (as said my Mama Summer in SK), who's the poor dumb sop that got it on with Baba Yaga?
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Well, Zeus and other Greek deities were both descended from and had babies with pretty monstrous creatures (creating ever more monsters, it seems). One of them, especially Zeus, might fit (though Mab seems a bit young for an active Greek deity).
Alternatively, since they're not THAT different from the Greek version, it might be a Slavic or Norse godling.
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