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When Winter took over at the Outer Gates [Spoilers all, including the DFARPG]
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Quantus on December 19, 2016, 02:59:06 PM ---Not sure it would strictly be nessesary, in that Hecate was already a Tripple-Goddess, and so might have already been a power shared across multiple hosts. I agree that they definitely seem to have consolidated Power into the one set (or rather two sets) of queens, but there would have already been a power of three sort of Base form in place without needing a One Greek Goddess per Queenly role to make it happen.
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Hecate wasn't always considered a triple goddess, though, only in later periods. Within the DF, that might be a clue pointing to Hecate being subsumed into the Queens, or it may not be relevant. Either way, I'm not proposing each Queen being derived from a single Greek source (in fact I think it was several). There were several Greek goddess triads in the maiden/mother/crone style (e.g. Rhea/Demeter/Persephone or Rhea/Hera/Hebe or Clotho/Lachesis/Atropos, and you could throw in Gaia to either of the first two lines to get the promotion style transfer that occurs with the Queens). I'm saying that the absorption of the goddesses could have also absorbed a grudge. If so, the emergence of a grudge in Hastings would be circumstantial evidence of ascending to become Queen.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Cozarkian on December 19, 2016, 06:09:04 PM ---I said likely. That is just a guess based on the symmetry typically found in the courts.
Aldo, Aurora's desire to end mortal suffering could be because Aurora's twin chose humanity and was killed.
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That would actually be really interesting. I do hope we eventually find out more about wha twas going through her mind during all that. I dunno, maybe Sarissa finds her diary or something.
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on December 19, 2016, 06:12:29 PM ---Hecate wasn't always considered a triple goddess, though, only in later periods. Within the DF, that might be a clue pointing to Hecate being subsumed into the Queens, or it may not be relevant. Either way, I'm not proposing each Queen being derived from a single Greek source (in fact I think it was several). There were several Greek goddess triads in the maiden/mother/crone style (e.g. Rhea/Demeter/Persephone or Rhea/Hera/Hebe or Clotho/Lachesis/Atropos, and you could throw in Gaia to either of the first two lines to get the promotion style transfer that occurs with the Queens). I'm saying that the absorption of the goddesses could have also absorbed a grudge. If so, the emergence of a grudge in Hastings would be circumstantial evidence of ascending to become Queen.
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Ah, gotcha
Quantus:
SO I find the bit about "Time Immemorial" being an actual, specific timeframe rather than the poetic language I (and apparently Harry) always thought it was.
So for an interesting reference, the only other times that phrase is used are How long the White Council has had Edinburgh for HQ, and how long the Red King has had Chitzen Itza:
--- Quote from: TC Ch. 14 ---The Hidden Halls of Edinburgh were the redoubt and fortress of the White Council of Wizardry
from time immemorial. Well, actually, that last bit isn’t true. It’s been our headquarters for a little
under five hundred years.
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and
--- Quote from: Changes Ch. 44 ---The Red King spoke, and though he was more than two hundred feet away, I heard him clearly. Alamaya listened and bowed. “My lord replies that this is a holy time and holy ground to our people, and has been from time immemorial. If you do not wish to respect the traditions of our people, he invites you to return tomorrow night. Unfortunately, he can make no promises about the fate of his newest chattel should you choose to do so.”
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knnn:
Random aside:
My impression has always been that there were always a bunch of Faerie Courts, but that Mab/Titania "went corporate" when they took up the Mantle of protecting the Outer Gates, which is why they appear to be so much more powerful than the other Sidhe Courts we've seen (e.g. the one from Curses).
Crunch Crunch Crunch....
And then there's the WoJ that Hades/Satan is (to paraphrase) "a CEO of a corporation", (maybe when compared to Hades), and I wonder if there's a connection.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: knnn on December 19, 2016, 08:57:58 PM ---Random aside:
My impression has always been that there were always a bunch of Faerie Courts, but that Mab/Titania "went corporate" when they took up the Mantle of protecting the Outer Gates, which is why they appear to be so much more powerful than the other Sidhe Courts we've seen (e.g. the one from Curses).
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More or less my thought as well. The whole point per Mama Summer is "Power has Purpose" so I have to think that becoming the Gate Guardians came with a whole lot of Power that they didnt have previously (including the ability to Draft the Wyldefae, methinks). Given that the Dragons used to be in charge of the turning of the Seasons of the world, it seems reasonable to me that part of it is a more fundamental connection to mortal Reality.
--- Quote ---And then there's the WoJ that Hades/Satan is (to paraphrase) "a CEO of a corporation", (maybe when compared to Hades), and I wonder if there's a connection.
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To clarify, that's a WOJ that both Hades and Satan are similar in that they run their domains in much the same fashioned as a CEO. NOT that they are the same person, correct?
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